Trump Repeats Lie About Popular Vote in Meeting With Lawmakers

Thanks, you just admitted Trump lied. Next?

I'm waiting for that evidence you will never produce, because you tell stories just like Trump.

 

That is precisely how it works. While I may disbelieve you have a live tiger in your pocket, I cannot call you a liar because you claim it. I might say "bull(*)(*)(*)(*)"... but that simply means that I do not believe it.

This, however, is not a miniature live tiger. This is a long standing issue, hard fought for by democrats to undermine our democratic process for which there is a great deal of evidence. This is why voter ID is fought. This is why democrat operatives are caught on camera encouraging illegals to vote. You would disregard that evidence because you dislike the source... well who the (*)(*)(*)(*) else is going to expose it? You look at the evidence and say "these are isolated incidents" because there is no system in place to catch it, so it is rarely caught. It is your "belief", perhaps, that it is small scale. I cannot call you a liar because of your beliefs. That is the difference between you and I.

http://www.fox25boston.com/news/non...e-in-lawrence-but-officials-shrug-1/139165724

http://www.reviewjournal.com/glenn-cook/how-many-noncitizens-are-registered-vote

http://www.nbc-2.com/story/18245049/illegal-voting-investigation-grows-dramatically

Why are democrats so opposed to proving citizenship to vote? Because it benefits them. They lie to obtain jobs. They lie to obtain benefits, medical care... but yet you insist they would not lie to try and prevent a president who said he was going to deport them? It strains credulity at best.

So let's put an end to this question once and for all. Support measures that prove citizenship to vote. Simple. Will you do that? No... you won't (*)(*)(*)(*)ing do that. Because you would prefer to win at all costs.

 

Are you going to include the illegal voter purge of 7.2 million voters who were accused of voting twice but never did based on them having the same first and last names, but different middle names?

 

How dare you bring facts to a debate with liberals!

 

Are they liars was the question.

Fact is there are thousands of cases of illegal voter fraud that have been discovered in a system set up to occlude them. Go on, call me a liar.

 

How does fingerprinting everyone who votes do that?

 

Actually it doesn't prove Trump lied. Both sides can claim the other side is wrong until a full recount is done and neither side is right nor are they wrong. There is evidence of democrats committing voter fraud the question is how much.

 

your making the claim that Trump is a liar for saying so
so I assumed you have proof of him lying but I should have known better then to expect you to have proof of any of your claims

 

I don't know that it requires more than a single vote. EVERY illegal vote skews a legal one.

It can ONLY be a lie if President Trump KNOWS it to be untrue (evidence nobody has, and doubt he does) and promotes it as a truth. The term lie is libel in this instance. Trump believes something you don't. Unless you can prove that he KNOWS it is untrue (which none of us do), it is just petty and inaccurate to call it a lie.

 

I'll simply request that you provide credible documentation that established the numbers and their voter preferences.

If you are indulging in blind faith, of course, I understand that you cannot.

 

Well, Trump did claim millions. There is a large difference between 1 an 5,000,000

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Well, liar is a subjective, judged assessment, an opinion as it were. I could also call him a saint, which would be another judgement.

 

Really? That must be why the readership of the NY Times shrinks every year, huh. Most people don't get their information from the NY Times. We have the internet. Something tells me this post isn't going to register with the poster I'm addressing.

 

Ain't that the truth. I read an opinion piece from the new York times. So bias. Yet 97 % of reader comments were just Trump haters.

 

I have documented thousands of cases already in this thread. I cannot give you a total count any more than I can give you a total count of the stars, because we can only document what we can find, in a system designed to prevent you from seeing everything.

The question was, again, are they lying? I don't know why you keep clipping it out of my quote, as if I am going to forget. It is the heart of the argument here, this assertion of "lying" and your refusal to answer questions about the nature of lies shows quite clearly that you have lost on this front, and now wish to continue debating other premises.

 

lying isn't subjective. lying is making a statement counter to facts. so where are your facts?

 

Sorry, I don't prove negatives.

 

No, it is not. Any more than leprechaun is. One either is, or is not, a liar. In order to wage this assault you presume he knows that this is untrue and speaks it as if it were. You know nothing of the sort, and libel is not within the realm of "asserting opinions" in a polite and just society, such as ours. It is not subjective. As NOBODY knows how many illegals voted, he CANNOT be lying, because he CANNOT know exactly how many people voted illegally. It is a binary condition derived by logic. You simply will not concede it, because you are constitutionally incapable of admitting errors. Especially when you submit them on purpose.

 

Well said sir. Bravo!

 

Let us for just a few moments take a stop out of your self created reality into the actual reality. Just the facts ma'am. What is a significant fact which would negate the assertion trump is a certain liar? How about this one. The Carter Center when asked why they did not monitor US elections for fraud told us last year that our system is not set up to be monitored, so it is impossible to monitor them. Now, turn on your rationality, keep both feet in this actual reality and tell me how trump could be called a liar, when the means to determine his truthfulness is nonexistent?

Is it possible people voted who were not illegible to vote under US Law? Many people believe it is so. It is possible. For it has happened countless times in elections in other nations. Are our politically driven people of greater honesty and integrity than others? LOL. Objective reality gives us a resounding NO.

Like trump I think a number of illegals voted for the simple reason that this is a dirty business, more so today than ever before. And I have seen in their own words and actions, from wilkileaks just what kind of people are on the Hillary side. It would be rational to lean towards illegals voting in places like Ca. Yet MSM and dems have come out and said with certainty that trump is lying, when there is no sure way to even determine illegal voting. Per the Carter Center who does this monitoring in poor foreign nations who are trying to be democratic.

Ok, be my guest, you can now flee at full speed back into that alternative universe the Hillary team have created for themselves. Actual reality is just too disturbing for much of the neocon neoliberal faux democrats. For it negates the faux reality they live under. This isn't a GOP con saying this, it is an old FDR Democrat. The champion of the working and middle class common man, which the faux democrats despise.

So if the democratic party does see the light, and moves back and reverses what the Clintons and others did to this party, once again representing and fighting for the working middle class, what will happen to all of these neoliberal, neocon, Clinton democrats? Where will they go? Where will 60 odd million of her voters go? For moving back to traditional democratic party principles is 180 from the principles of Hillary democrats. Will they form a 3rd party? Or will they simply slide back into the woodwork and spend their time on social media with their hate raging against an America they once tried to destroy? With the growing movement against open borders globalization, the greatest scheme ever perpetrated on humanity since the advent of slavery, Hillary, neocon, neoliberal democrats will be like the extinction of the dinos. They will slowly...fade away, into the Dustbin of History, unless they make history as being a great destructive force on humanity which we were finally able to overcome, signaled by trump bringing in the change that so many people thought Obama was gonna bring.

 

Hey, TFM, are you off your meds? Have you got gaps in you aluminum foil reality shield? When was the last time you stopped drinking Jolt and got some sleep?

What are there, 12 million illegals in this country? The Dems keep telling them that they are the party that will support them and the Republicans will deport them. Right, so far? Democrats constantly resist attempts to impose photo ID to vote. Why is that? California has millions of illegals that it shields from the laws of the U.S. Dems have repeatedly pushed for programs to give economic advantages to illegals that citizens couldn't get, like education support. There are "fast track" schemes to citizenship and programs to give them a driver's license as soon as they cross the border.

The overall behavior of the Democrat Party when it comes to illegals leads me to believe that they have committed voter fraud on a grand scale. If they want me to change my mind, then they have to change their ways.

 

PRESIDENT TRUMP just signed an executive order withdrawing from TPP. It's nice to have a truthful president who keeps campaign promises.

The standard of the Democratic Party on truthfulness was set by LBJ, who promised he was not going to send American boys to die in Southeast Asia, calling the Republican a warmonger - and then after the election send half a million American men to Vietnam with tens of thousands killed and many more wounded for life. Lying, hate mongering, racist, bigotry are all the operating politics of the Democratic Party.

 

I've read through the multiple pages of dribble, and the above is about the only thing I feel compelled to respond to. Much of the above may in fact be true. Although the fact that Trump managed to surgically defeat the Democratic machine says he's a lot smarter than the people who constantly complain about him. Everything he does has meaning and has been thought through. The fact that he's upsetting you so much says it's true.

The lesson lost on you and your ilk is that he was elected to accomplish things. There is a large chunk of this country who is sick and tired of endless whining, identity politics and never ending gridlock. Trump can run through the streets naked and rant incoherently as long as he moves the country forward and gets things done. Understanding this will reduce the need for large doses of prozac to calm liberal progressive meltdown.

BTW, directly to your subject, the two largest Urban cesspools in America, California and New York, don't have enforceable voter identification laws. Since these are the states that bloated Hillary's popular vote numbers, nobody knows for sure how accurate these counts were. And we'll never know for sure.

 

For the good of our country I would like to be this clown the benefit of the doubt and hope that he surprises those of us who did not vote for him and actually acts as an adult. There is no reason to keep yapping about the popular vote and telling lies. this clown is so hung up on his overextended EGO that he does not realize or wants to admit that the election is over and he won. The clown has a hangup on the size of the inauguration day crowd. the picture are indisputable evidence but the Lying Turd and his cult followers are not capable of comprehending or accepting the truth.

 

And there are pictures which show a larger crowd which call into question the legitimacy of the time stamp on CNN's single photo. As demonstrated, whether or not you believe he believes that more than a million votes were invalid, you cannot assert that he is a liar. You say you want to give the benefit of doubt, but you have yet to do so. You have yet to start a thread praising any of the decisions he has made that are good for the country. You look at everything as it is presented to you by a dishonest media, so as to look for the fault you just know is going to be there. In short, you want to be a better person than you are. I support you in that desire, but I cannot do it for you. You have to actually try.

 

Yeah, he is lying. He made some (*)(*)(*)(*) up a while back, it was debunked, and he now just continues to lie.

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