trump rule: the beginning of an autocracy

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  1. Darthcervantes

    Darthcervantes Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Relax. That isn't gonna happen. I don't think his kids have the same respect he has. There will be a Democrat in office eventually. Stop letting the Trumps run your life. It is not healthy!
     
  2. Aleksander Ulyanov

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    If Trump's not an incipient authoritarian there are no such things. You seem to have no idea what an authoritarian is even though one IS running over you, but then again you seem to LIKE his authoritarianism

    I think Ivanka is indeed beautiful and intelligent and the speeches will at least be pleasant to look at with the sound off if she runs in 2024. The problem I will have will be with Daddy incarcerating anyone showing up at her opponent's rallies or poisoning her opponents
     
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    We all thought he would never be the candidate, and then that he couldn't possibly win. You're a Trumper telling me the Trumps aren't a problem. Hie thee to a nunnery.
     
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    Darthcervantes Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Most conservatives will be dead by the time they run for office. Kids in schools are having left wing babble stuffed down their throats on the daily. I promise you that America will eventually be the communist hell hole you guys dream about.
    Sit back and let america be great for a few more years and thwn I promise yiur socialist hell on earth will come to fruition. It's 100% unavoidable
     
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  5. Aleksander Ulyanov

    Aleksander Ulyanov Well-Known Member

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    Have anyone noticed we now pretty much have to? It used to be you did that to make people wearing yamulkas feel better but people will look at you funny if they overhear you saying that even to a Hasidim nowadays
     
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    I would prefer to call it "meritocracy".
     
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    I NEVER heard anyone call him a "psychopath".

    I do remember the hubbub over him possibly being influenced by Nancy's predilection for consulting psychics, and add to that the way he courted evangelicals and some rumors that he bought into their apocalyptic thinking, but those were just rumors.
     
  8. Aleksander Ulyanov

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    Socialism died in 1970 or thereabouts when Herbert Marcuse came up with the Well Duh Corollary. the brilliant idea that the Capitalist pigs were buying off the revolutionary cadres by giving them everything they wanted. The final nail in the coffin came in 1989 when not even the pampered Soviet Army would go along with it anymore.

    Far from greatness, I fear America is heading for a reckoning. It is well deserved but I can only hope that just Trump and some higher Trumpers are caught up in it.
     
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    Whereas anyone with common sense calls it "dictatorship"
     
  10. Hoosier8

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    Is that what Hillary was going for? No wonder democrats voted for her.
     
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    Some Russians did because he had a stated policy of spending more and more on the Arms Race to force them into bankruptcy, but he can't be faulted for using their own paranoia against them and in the end, it worked, (along with the effects of Carter's wheat embargo, which nobody even came close to giving him credit for)

    I never voted for Reagan and didn't support most of his policies, but I recognized him as a man of rock-solid integrity and that is the first and foremost necessity in a President.
     
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    It is a fact both parties sold us out evidenced by that study and evidenced by them disemboweling America of high value added middle class jobs .

    Both parties told us forget about it , our good jobs were not coming back. Obama said it when running for president. Yet shipping jobs away was a choice of both parties and not natural law.

    Trump ran on bringing jobs back home and he beat the globalist dems and repubs. And the people beat both parties.

    Trump has done more for working people than anyone since the dem jfk. Against the wishes of both parties.

    I am a classical liberal and did not vote for trump because I thought his campaign promises were lies like every other president post Reagan. And I did not like Reagan as president given the cons came into power and dismantled what ccreated our historic middle class but he promised to do it and did.
     
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    That's an awful lot of butt hurt. Last time I checked we were still a constitutional republic, I would be more fearful of the Progressive (Communist) Caucus. A Trump dynasty sounds good to me.
     
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    It is a fact both parties sold us out evidenced by that study and evidenced by them disemboweling America of high value added middle class jobs .

    Both parties told us forget about it , our good jobs were not coming back. Obama said it when running for president. Yet shipping jobs away was a choice of both parties and not natural law.

    Trump ran on bringing jobs back home and he beat the globalist dems and repubs. And the people beat both parties.

    Trump has done more for working people than anyone since the dem jfk. Against the wishes of both parties.

    I am a classical liberal and did not vote for trump because I thought his campaign promises were lies like every other president post Reagan. And I did not like Reagan as president given the cons came into power and dismantled what ccreated our historic middle class but he promised to do it and did.
    If average Americans are not represented but only rich elites are as proven by 20 years of congressional record we do not have a republic. Period. We have another form of govt with a constitution that has been pissed on. It still has power but that has been eroded over the yyears using fear to do it. Ben Franklin spoke of this danger.

    Only an idiot would ever want to sieze the wealth of our elites but only an idiot would allow those elites to create an economy structured to max out their income while destroying our large middle class . This is not a left or right issue but an issue of ccommon sense and intelligence.
     
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    Let me back you up a bit on that. During Reagan, the Cold War was in full swing and a lot of stupid things were said by both parties. Reagan wanted total nuclear disarmament. He also offered to share "Star Wars" technology with Moscow if that would move things to that end.

    You may be correct, but I don't recall anyone say Reagan was "bent on starting a nuclear war."
     
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    The governing form of the U.S. is Constitutional Republic. When voters get more votes per taxes paid, income earned or "wealth" owned, get back to us. They do not. Until then, the U.S. is not an aristocracy as a matter of irrefutable legal fact. Period. Stop being fooled by divisive, inaccurate public union and MSM resentment narratives on wealth, income or whatever. The remedy to crony capitalism is decentralizing and dismantling much of the central government, not free floating, erroneous resentment of wealth. Any society in which people like Gates, Bezos, Zuckerberg, 1000 entertainment wealthy, and 10,000 other first generation millionaires and billionaires can become as such in a decade or two is not an "aristocracy."

    The middle class in the U.S. is growing in numbers and especially wealth by leaps and bounds in the current world class tech boom. The factors that lead you to believe that it is not are 1) massive legal and illegal immigration towards political gain of the Complex, 2) the many failures of the welfare state and other central government policy that create a large, permanently dependent underclass, 3) a tech boom that leads to very healthy wealth inequality and signals extreme tech proliferation and the presence of middle class dollars that make innovators and entertainers wealthy via wholly voluntary exchange, 4) lie narratives based on cherrypicked definitions and other purposeful dishonesty designed to make the public resentful that grow and empower the Complex.

    My life experience is that of the average middle class U.S. taxpayer. Here are just a few things that I have, that all have, that didn't exist when I was a kid:

    1. 5 more years of average lifespan.
    2. Inexpensive access to a world-historical level of communications, information, computing power, goods/services distribution and entertainment that lead to choices my grandparents could have never imagined possible.
    3. The ability to take some of the above and use them to start and fund businesses in an hour as opposed to a week, month or longer, making self-employment and general self-determination available to every citizen in a way it has never been before in history.

    Note that most of the above are only marginally a product of the overlarge, overpowered, incompetent, corrupt central government and its many tributaries that extract 30-50% of every American's LIFE in taxes at all levels. "The rich" aren't holding anyone back from taking full advantage of these opportunities, parasitic overlarge, overpriced government is though.
     
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    All true, but how do we cure this cancerous disparity of wealth between the ultra rich and the middle class? Revolutions have started on less. Must Americans start a violent revolution? Are the safeguards of having elections every two years our "revolution?" Should we overhaul or tax system to prevent the massive accumulation of wealth among the few? I sense something is about to change but what? Elections vs. Revolution????
     
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    American Family Political Dynasties:

    Kennedy's - liberals yawn
    Clinton's - liberals yawn
    Bush's - liberals yawn
    Obama's (possible) - liberals yawn

    TRUMP's - liberals....

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    Well, so far it is just severe butt hurt over loosing the 2016 election but for the most part, there will be no revolution. For that you would have to convince people to quit watching Netflix on their couch while wolfing down junk food.
     
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    With the all the intolerance the left has been so vehemently willing to demonstrate as to opposing views I find it amazing that ANYONE from the left would accuse anyone else of being a totalitarian.



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    Curing it is beyond my pay grade but looking to our past to see what fdr did to bring income disparity back to a healthier number is a start. For some of the things fdr did worked and some did not. We have to be pragmatic. If it fails try something else.

    The overall economic health has to be an important consideration. And it isnt since the joint dismantling of what helped expand our middle class.

    Yet if we stop allowing a few elites destroying our middle and the American dream the cons and neoliberals falsely scream socialism!

    As if a capitalism that serves a max number of us is evil socialism. Our elites and their govt dont care about the big picture or 300 million Americans. But for many decades our govt and leaders did.

    I believe in managed capitalism that seeks a wider prosperity. And greater internal health. It is clear what neoliberals have wrought. And it is so stupidly destructive of our society and people . It must be reversed .
     
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    Third term? It sounds like something Trump would want and you would support it. Talk about the hypocrisy.
     
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    Ivanka is too left leaning for the neanderthal GOP. She believes in women power and all that ;)
     
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    And more dribble from you that makes absolutely no sense.
     
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