Trump says he will ban TikTok through executive action as soon as Saturday

I'm not a Trumper and I don't see how you could possibly take that out of what I posted. Are you trolling? It's not very funny and is a rules violation if you are.

I hate Trump and often think Trumpers are even worse than him, though I make a real effort not to hate dupes for being duped. You have to be somewhat intelligent to be conned, it's a matter of making you trip over your own intellect

 

I misread what you meant to say.

Please accept this mug as a token of my apologies.

 

Yet you're concerned enough to ban the app. No offense intended but you are familiar with paranoia, yes?

My morning coffee will never be the same

 

~ I suggest you think about not hate but understanding. Hate only consumes the host. Like jealousy it is an emotion that will rarely accomplish anything good.

 

"though I make a real effort not to hate dupes for being duped. You have to be somewhat intelligent to be conned, it's a matter of making you trip over your own intellect"

That's really deep

 

Update: Looks like everything will be ok if TikTok's US operations are sold to Microsoft. At this point no ban is in effect.

 

No, not really. The story is ongoing. I've been paying attention to the issue, but I was only reiterating what I had heard. I haven't really decided yet how I think about the ban.

 

Presidential alert.

Trump now says he wants to the US Treasury to have a substantial part of the profit price Microsoft pays for TikTok.

But, as usual, Trump wouldn't be saying such if it wasn't for his own benefit. It's never about politics with him, always about himself.

How much of that money does he plan to stick in his own pocket before he exits the Presidency?

 

Clock ticking on Tik Tok?

https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/06/politics/trump-executive-order-tiktok/index.html

 

Countries employ teams of people to implant messages in social media in order to influence other countries. But as has been said, if Tiktok is banned, those teams can just use other media.

I will speculate here. I would imagine that in addition to using social media to implant messages, governments can also extract information from them. I'm sure algorithms can be created to give a government at least an early warning of significant events happening in other countries. Especially if one has access to the totality of social media messages sent. Which the Chinese government does. And they got it without the legal/political consequences that say, the US would if it were accessing the totality of FB messages. Win for China therefore tiktok must be banned. It's popular enough to detect trends.

 

The US does have access all your FB messages, emails, internet searches, telephone records etc and keeps this data for two years. Any anger should be directed at your own government rather than a government on the other side of the world that does not care what "nobodies" are up to. The US also keeps records of my details, phone usage and web use and I live in the UK

 

Chinese espionage tool. I suggest he and the NID know this.

 

~ And yet there are some who still trust China .

~ This would be much more difficult and easy to detect - without the host ( i.e. Microsoft / Facebook etc. ) cooperation.

 

Is the the governments choice to make? I think not.

 

~ The U.S. government has obligations to protect America. China committed a deliberate act of terrorism on the west. They should be labeled as enemy #1 and banned entirely from the U.S.

 

I was stunned when I read that we were accepting pandemic supplies from China. I still cannot believe that more hasn't been said about their "seeming" culpability in all this. I don't know if that's because it's an election year, we are in too deep with them or something else. Regardless, it just doesn't sit right.

 

~ Exactly. It could very well be cautious behavior on the U.S. government's part - or election worries. It is still very suspicious.
Personally I hope the CIA is gathering sufficient evidence to make a public statement pointing out China's Communist Party. I would go as far as to suggest that the president should talk to Congress about treating this as another 9-11.
Many innocent people are dead or sick and business owners closed. All nations need to recover economic damage directly from the Chinese government - by whatever means necessary.

 

We are in for a long ride if this is classified as a terrorist act. Every nation on the globe has been hit, and hit hard, by this. Something like that will have to send us into another world war.

 

~ I do not think a war is necessary. At any rate China is in no condition to go to war with anyone. If China is stupid enough to start any military action it will likely be over very quickly.

 

I'm not sure what the US has. I just know that both, what they have and how they got it, have serious political and/or legal consequences if properly exposed. All the Chinese government has to do to use the same information we have is to call whoever their political commissar equivalent is that is stationed with the servers and instruct their media to never speak of it.

Looking at the situation from a pure chess match pov, China has, or will have, the advantage in the use of these information tools; the US must make a move to mitigate.

The debate about whether people have rights to this information is separate. I go both ways depending on my mood; sometimes I think we have rights here, but sometimes I wonder.

It's kind of like going back to the 1700's with Indian smoke signals. They were sending a message through the air. I think it would be silly for the natives to be offended if others snatched those messages out of the sky and were smart enough to decode them.