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  1. Zorro

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    He's doing fine.

    5. Is the Release of Pastor Brunson Related to the Khashoggi Affair?
    Turkish press sources say no. Trump said there was no deal to get back Andrew Brunson. However, the timing of the pastor’s release seems to say otherwise.

    There were rumors in July of a deal to free Brunson. The United States helped win the release of a Turkish terror suspect held by Israel, but instead of releasing Brunson, Ankara put him under house arrest. The Trump administration sanctioned Turkish officials, and warned that an already damaged Turkish economy was vulnerable to more sanctions.

    After July’s events, Brunson’s lawyer filed a motion, and it was expected the pastor would be released from house arrest, although his passport would not yet be returned. Then Friday, Turkey sentenced and released him with time served.

    The fact that Ankara is bargaining with Riyadh suggests that the Turks were looking to improve their position by giving the Trump administration something it wanted. Thus the release of Brunson is almost certainly related to the Khashoggi affair.

    6. Did U.S. Intelligence Know the Saudis Were Planning an Operation Targeting Khashoggi?
    According to press reports, U.S. intercepts captured Saudi communications about an operation to detain Khashoggi. A CNN story indicates that the United States likely found the information in reviewing its intercepts after Khashoggi went missing. Was U.S. intelligence asleep at the wheel while an ally was planning an operation conducted on the soil of a NATO member that was likely to have regional, and even international consequences?

    Should Riyadh have notified its U.S. ally that it was planning an operation against a U.S. person? Saudi intelligence officials have historically enjoyed a close relationship with their U.S. counterparts, especially since 9/11, which raises an important question: Did the Saudis in fact tell the United States they were planning an operation targeting Khashoggi? Did anyone else know the Saudis were going after him?

    http://thefederalist.com/2018/10/15/10-key-questions-khashoggi-affair-answer-buying-press-narrative/
     
  2. Zorro

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    5. Is the Release of Pastor Brunson Related to the Khashoggi Affair?
    Turkish press sources say no. Trump said there was no deal to get back Andrew Brunson. However, the timing of the pastor’s release seems to say otherwise.

    There were rumors in July of a deal to free Brunson. The United States helped win the release of a Turkish terror suspect held by Israel, but instead of releasing Brunson, Ankara put him under house arrest. The Trump administration sanctioned Turkish officials, and warned that an already damaged Turkish economy was vulnerable to more sanctions.

    After July’s events, Brunson’s lawyer filed a motion, and it was expected the pastor would be released from house arrest, although his passport would not yet be returned. Then Friday, Turkey sentenced and released him with time served.

    The fact that Ankara is bargaining with Riyadh suggests that the Turks were looking to improve their position by giving the Trump administration something it wanted. Thus the release of Brunson is almost certainly related to the Khashoggi affair.

    6. Did U.S. Intelligence Know the Saudis Were Planning an Operation Targeting Khashoggi?
    According to press reports, U.S. intercepts captured Saudi communications about an operation to detain Khashoggi. A CNN story indicates that the United States likely found the information in reviewing its intercepts after Khashoggi went missing. Was U.S. intelligence asleep at the wheel while an ally was planning an operation conducted on the soil of a NATO member that was likely to have regional, and even international consequences?

    Should Riyadh have notified its U.S. ally that it was planning an operation against a U.S. person? Saudi intelligence officials have historically enjoyed a close relationship with their U.S. counterparts, especially since 9/11, which raises an important question: Did the Saudis in fact tell the United States they were planning an operation targeting Khashoggi? Did anyone else know the Saudis were going after him?

    http://thefederalist.com/2018/10/15/10-key-questions-khashoggi-affair-answer-buying-press-narrative/
     
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    Ha ha ha you cannot name a one policy that Trump directly caused a direct good result.
     
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    LOL

    Of course I can. They've been in the news and discussed at great length, even here.

    From taxes to regulatory reform, etc..

    Yet, you claim there are none.

    Why would I list them so you can ignore them Partizan1?

    Would that make sense?
     
  5. archives

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    "From taxes," which rewarded the top at the cost of the middle, to "regulatory reform," which actually was the loss of consumer protectionism

    Not claiming there weren't any, but what did occur only have "good results" for a select few and not America as a whole
     
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    And it continues to sail right over his head, let me repeat myself;

    None of that matters, it was Trump who went out of his way to plant the seeds of an "alternative" narrative, a possible "rogue nation" could be involved reinforced with the "King told me he didn't do it?

    None of that was necessary, Trump could have handled it properly incorporating all you are attempting to prove, but he didn't, he had to bring in the "rogue nation" innuendo, almost as if he is setting a defense of what is to follow
     
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    One question that occurs to me is why was Khasoggi so willing to enter this Embassy when it seemed that his relationship with the Sauds was strained?
     
  8. Zorro

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    Trump's doing fine. But, I do wonder about a few things:

    7. How Did a Man with Extensive Ties to Intelligence Services as Well as Extremist Groups Get a Green Card?

    Khashoggi writes a column for the Fake News Washington Post and worked at a number of Saudi media organizations, print and broadcast and most Arab journalists primarily serve the political masters who pay and protect them, and often represent the interests of intelligence services.

    Khashoggi was an adviser to former Saudi intelligence chief Turki al-Faisal when he was ambassador to London, then Washington. Khashoggi joined the Muslim Brotherhood in the 1970s and continues to advocate for political Islam. He called the late Saudi dissident Osama Bin Laden a friend and mourned his death. Khasshogi may have been something like Riyadh’s back channel to al-Qaeda, prior to 9/11.

    So how did a former Saudi official with ties to intelligence services, connections to the Muslim Brotherhood, and a long history with a terrorist responsible for nearly 3,000 deaths on U.S. soil obtain permanent resident status?

    Khashoggi moved to the United States in 2017, and already had a green card. “Friends helped Khashoggi obtain a visa that allowed him to stay in the United States as a permanent resident.” So who vouched for him and why?

    Former CIA director Crazed Commie John Brennan was station chief in Riyadh from 1996-1999, when Khashoggi’s patron Turki al-Faisal was head of Saudi’s general intelligence directorate.

    8. How Much of U.S. Press Coverage and Expert Opinion Is Shaped by the Pro-Iran ‘Echo Chamber’?

    To market the Iran nuclear deal, the Obama administration built an echo chamber out of government officials, policy experts, and a supine press corps. Obama’s signature foreign policy initiative was not only or even primarily an arms control deal. The JCPOA was purposed to realign U.S. interests in the Middle East, with Iran as the favored partner and traditional American allies, especially Israel and Saudi Arabia, downgraded.

    Obama-era officials saw the Trump administration as a threat to undo Obama’s policies. Trump not only got out of the Iran deal but also underscored the centrality of America’s traditional alliances. He made his first foreign visit to Saudi Arabia and moved the U.S. embassy in Israel to Jerusalem.

    Soon after Khashoggi fell out of public view, former Obama aides and other echo chamber associates went into action. To punish Saudi, they named specific policies. In particular, they argued that the administration should withdraw support for Riyadh’s war against the Iranian-backed Houthi rebels in Yemen.

    It’s hardly coincidental that Khashoggi himself had made similar points in a September Washington Post column: “Saudi Arabia’s crown prince must restore dignity to his country — by ending Yemen’s cruel war.” In the article, Khashoggi questioned the crown prince’s legitimacy as ruler of Saudi Arabia and custodian of Islam’s two holiest shrines.

    The inability, Khashoggi wrote, “of Saudi authorities in preventing Houthi missiles from being fired in the first place serves as an embarrassing reminder that the kingdom’s leadership is unable to restrain their Iranian-backed opponent.” Khashoggi’s criticism of other policies implemented by Crown Prince Mohamed bin Salman (MBS)—like trying to rein in Lebanese Prime Minister Saad Hariri—also synchronized with echo chamber talking points.

    It should come as no surprise that the Obama echo chamber used the Khashoggi affair as an opportunity to sound its anti-Saudi talking points. As a Saudi voice critical of MBS, Khashoggi’s work at the Post was integrated into the echo chamber’s anti-Saudi and pro-Iran messaging campaign. How much is U.S. reporting and opinion regarding the Khashoggi affair shaped by the pro-Iran echo chamber? Nearly all of it.

    http://thefederalist.com/2018/10/15/10-key-questions-khashoggi-affair-answer-buying-press-narrative/

    Look deeper, Grasshopper!
     
  9. rcfoolinca288

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    Didn’t Trump sent missiles into Syria to “destroy” its airbase? Why is he kissing the Saudi’s @$$?
     
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    Maybe he thought he would be safe? What kind of lowlife would murder someone in an embassy??
     
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    If it was Iran, it would have been different. Of course we know you guys are closet globalists.
     
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    rcfoolinca288 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Naw. Trump is limp wristed and will just turn the other cheek.
     
  13. ArmySoldier

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    In your opinion, should he follow suit and send drones to help get rid of this world leader?

    That helps out the situation, right?
    #ArabSpring
     
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    Chemical weapons attacks on innocent women and children

    versus

    the rumored assassination of a foreign journalist who collected a paycheck from Washington Post...

    even if true, why does the US give a sh*t? I guarantee you and your confederates wouldn't give a sh*t if this happened during your Messiah's watch....this would have at best earned a 10 second blurb on Washington Post.com, and then they'd be back to carrying Obama's balls around on a velvet pillow...
     
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    They won’t find out who the killer is and hand them over?? Funny you guys are ready to let it go because it’s the Saudis.
     
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    Here are the questions I asked that you ignored. I'll repeat them for you.

     
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    Perhaps Obama is your messiah, he isn’t mine. Quit your group think. Note there weren’t any proof that the Syrians did it, and they denied it, yet Trump went ahead with launching missiles anyways. It proved to be useless because the airbase wasn’t destroyed.
     
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    Nowhere did I say about a drone strike, so you can take your straw man off the table. Why should Trump just let this go and take his word without asking for an investigation?
     
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    Why do you keep deflecting? I never claimed you said anything about a drone strike. I'm asking you if Trump should take the Obama approach to a world leader that has done wrong.

    Do you believe he should?

    Why is this so hard for you to answer?
     
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    I’m pretty sure you can infer from my answer that it is a no.
     
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    Okay, so you agree that it's probably not smart to take such action against something that has nothing to do with us...
     
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    Further, while the American media calls Khashoggi a journalist, and it’s true that he contributed articles to the Washington Post. It’s more accurate and informative to call Khashoggi an operative or perhaps, as David Goldman does, “a top level spook who played a high-stakes game in Saudi spookdom.”

    In addition, according to Goldman, Khashoggi was a member of the Muslim Brotherhood, an Islamist outfit. He “was bitterly opposed to the new Saudi government’s rapprochement with the state of Israel.”

    None of this provides justification for butchering him. But assuming the Saudis did butcher him, should this action cause the U.S. radically to rethink its relations with the Saudi government?

    The Washington Post thinks so. However, its position lacks consistency.

    The Russian government kills journalists, among others. I do not recall the Washington Post protesting on this basis the Obama administration’s “reset” of relations with Putin’s government or Obama’s promise to be more “flexible” with Russia after his reelection. Nor, as far as I remember, did the Post cite Russia’s murderous ways as a reason not to farm out to Putin enforcement of the “red line” against the use of chemical weapons in Syria.

    Cuba’s treatment of journalists and others has been atrocious. Yet, the mainstream media supported the Obama administration when it radically reset U.S. relations with Cuba without insisting on any change in the regime’s treatment of dissidents.

    What are the differences between Russia/Cuba and Saudi Arabia? I see two. First, Russia and Cuba are adversaries of America. Saudi Arabia is an ally.

    For the sane, this difference would, if anything, cut in favor of the Saudis. For the left, it cuts against them.

    Second, the Trump administration has very visibly allied itself with Saudi Arabia as a means of countering Iran and achieving other American objectives in the Middle East. Thus, the Khashoggi slaying provides the mainstream media with the opportunity to do what it does best — hammer President Trump.

    The Khashoggi slaying should not cause America substantially to alter its foreign policy. Our relatively close relationship with Saudi Arabia is predicated, as it should be, on mutual interests and mutual adversaries. Either the geo-political predicate justifies the relationship or it doesn’t.

    If it does, we would be foolish to alter the relationship in a major way. Nor would the mainstream media be advocating that we do so if the president were a Democrat and the offending regime hostile to America.

    https://www.powerlineblog.com/archi...i-trump-media-and-american-foreign-policy.php
     
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    Do you know why there is a "No Body No Crime Rule"?
     
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    Are we or are we not the new world leader in oil production??If we are then why is Dirty Donald kissing Saudi butt??
     
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    Trump said that the Saudi King told him that "There is no Sand in the Desert" and Trump is taking his word for it.
     

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