Trump seeks to end heating assistance program for low-income people

"Trump vows to end winter heating assistance for elderly and disabled."
— Democrats Rising on Sunday, November 26th, 2017 in a headline

 

https://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/whitehouse.gov/files/omb/budget/fy2018/2018_blueprint.pdf

pg. 22

 

May I remind you that FY2018 started last October 1. As a winter program, 90% of the CR budget was paid out last year.

 

It was funded because Congress members from various states stood up against Trump's cruel, inhumane, and unChristian attempts to cut heat off of tens of millions of desperate and vulnerable Americans.

 

Hook us up with the link to your post about this:
Obama's budget would cut heat subsidies for poor
NEW YORK (CNNMoney) -- President Obama's 2012 budget will propose cutting $2.5 billion from a program that helps low-income people cope with high energy costs in the cold of winter and heat of summer, according to a source familiar with the budget process.

The reduction is steep, and might impact millions of families. In 2010, the program received $5.1 billion in federal funds, which were then distributed to states that have both low average incomes and high energy costs.
http://money.cnn.com/2011/02/11/news/economy/obama_heating_cuts/index.htm

Faux Outrage
Pretending one is offended, insulted or generally affronted by something which they really are not. The faux outrage is usually expressed publicly because it is done in the service of an agenda. Those expressing faux outrage usually labor under the delusion that no one can see through them, but most can.

 

All you hard asses here, your day's gonna come. What goes around comes around.

Don't tell me; some of you THINK you are Christians.

"...for him that is pitiless, the deeds of pity are ever strange and beyond reckoning."
J.R.R. Tolkien

 

What does heat have to do with religion? LIHEAP is a heap of crap, the most abused program on the planet used by hypocrites to subsidize Coal and Oil while moaning about Climate Change. This abused program overlaps with programs already out there that don't promote the destruction of the planet.

Subsidized Housing and LIHEAP

Compiled by the LIHEAP Clearinghouse
November 2013, Updated 2016

Whether individuals whose housing and utility costs are subsidized by other programs should be eligible for LIHEAP is a longstanding issue for LIHEAP directors. A related issue is how to handle subsidized tenants whose utility cost is included in their rent.

Some states view the issue in terms of equity, believing that that LIHEAP benefits should be targeted to households that do not already receive assistance through reduced rents and utility allowances, or to those who are most vulnerable to increases in energy costs because they pay their energy costs directly. In some states, this policy has effectively excluded or adversely affected renters, subsidized and non-subsidized, whose heat is included in their rent.

On the other hand, those who advocate LIHEAP payments to subsidized households argue that subsidized housing is not unlike welfare benefits or energy supplements provided by local charities or utility programs. Because these funds are not taken into account when determining LIHEAP eligibility, they question why housing subsidies should be considered in the calculation. They also note that housing subsidy programs vary, and subsidized households should not be seen as one homogeneous category that is "in need" or "not in need" of LIHEAP benefits.
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The most current state policies pertaining to subsidized and other renter households are detailed here and can be summarized as follows:

1. Many states (at least 26) deny LIHEAP eligibility to subsidized housing residents whose energy costs are included in their rent. Several others allow eligibility to these households if the tenants' rental costs are not a fixed low percentage of their income and/or are greater than 30 percent of their income.
2. Most states consider non-subsidized renters with energy costs in their rent as eligible, although their benefits may be reduced.
3. Subsidized rental households who pay directly for energy are treated in one of three ways:
   a) their utility allowance (if any) is taken into account in determining benefits; the benefit is reduced either by a flat amount, or by subtracting the amount of the heating or cooling portion of the allowance from the LIHEAP benefit or from the applicant's energy costs;
   b) they are given a reduced or lowest percentage of the regular (highest) benefit; or,
   c) they are treated the same as other households who pay energy costs directly, i.e., benefits are determined from the same matrix, or based upon similar criteria. Several of these states have "renter," "multi-family/single-family" or "attached/detached dwelling" benefit categories, with renter, multi-family, or attached housing applicants receiving a lower benefit. A couple of states require that these renters have rental expenses greater than 30 percent of their income.
4. Several states give a reduced benefit to all subsidized housing clients, regardless of how energy costs are paid;
5. Several states make no distinction between subsidized and non-subsidized renters. Benefits may be based on actual costs, or in the case of renters with energy costs included, a back-up matrix based on average statewide costs. Several of these states also have a "renter" or "multi-family/single-family" benefit category, with "renter" or "multi-family" receiving a lower benefit.

https://liheapch.acf.hhs.gov/pubs/440.htm

 

I don't understand why we have so many programs in the first place? An elderly or disabled person's monthly Social Security and/or Disability $$ should be able to cover heating expenses, why do we need a special program for that? (And if you're not elderly or disabled, you can get a job to pay for your heat just like the rest of us taxpayers do.)

Cutting unnecessary and/or redundant programs also means we can cut back on paying for unnecessary government employees to run them.

 

We all knew that someone would have to pay for all the tax cuts for the rich and the increased military spending.

As typical for GOP reverse Robin Hood fashion, they look to the ones who can least afford it to pay up. It is even likely that quite a few of those who are affected are Trump voters. After all, people in Appalachia are often helped by such programs.

Quantum Nerd, Today at 6:02 AM Report

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I live in Appalachia.

Who needs heating assistance when housing costs have risen so high in much of the USA, more people, even WORKING people, are living in the streets every day.


NARCISSISM , n
inordinate absorption in oneself

I, Me, Mine; a lot of that here. Americans ARE divided from each other, at the MOLECULAR level!

 

I agree we should cut all the redundant programs for the military and the wealthy as well as business subsidies. Which some how Republicans manage to either increase or ignore. Why are all the funding cuts aimed at low income people.

Its a stupid question. Poor people don't fund lobbyist or contribute to campaigns. I am not certain if conservatives are actually opposed to spending cuts for business or the wealthy or don't believe they exist.

 

This is a pack of lies. I am familiar with "LIEAP'. There are standards to be met, income limits, family size, bank accounts, etc.
Not just anyone is approved.

LIHEAP Clearinghouse sounds like another of those Judicial Watch propaganda sites. The spelling gives it away. Just be upfront with the BS and call it LIE HEAP!

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Why should someone from Texas pay for the follies of the Northeast that are trying to ban fossil fuels putting their own citizens at risk?

 

Perhaps if we stopped giving Egypt and Israel money for their military ($3.1 billion to Israel and $1.3 billion to Egypt in 2014) we wouldn't have to cut programs for the elderly.
https://www.cnn.com/2015/11/11/politics/us-foreign-aid-report/

 

I agree!

Cut the idiots off and jack up the money to those that need it!

You with me?

 

Red states get far more from the federal government than they pay in taxes. Blue states heavily subsidize the red states and would be far better economically without them. Look it up...

or don't

Mississippi received $2.13 for every tax dollar the state sent to Washington in 2015, according to the Rockefeller study. West Virginia received $2.07, Kentucky got $1.90 and South Carolina got $1.71.

Meanwhile, New Jersey received 74 cents in federal spending for tax every dollar the state sent to Washington. New York received 81 cents, Connecticut received 82 cents and Massachusetts received 83 cents.

California fared a bit better than other blue states. It received 96 cents for every dollar the state sent to Washington.

https://www.apnews.com/2f83c72de1bd440d92cdbc0d3b6bc08c

 

More states less federal government support. Go President Trump.

 

LIHEAP Clearinghouse is a BIG GOVERNMENT oversight group to watch state and local officials cheat American taxpayers. That's usually what a .gov domain is.

 

Why didn’t you mention “Islamaphobe” too?

If you want, just say “IstPhobe” and we will know that you mean all of the above, and you’ll save yourself some keystrokes.

You’re welcome.

 

LOL, I will ask again, why should I pay for the nutty northeast that is trying to get rid of their most prolific source of heating, fossil fuels?

Let them take care of themselves, besides, all the rich liberal northeasters can pay for it.

 

Well, it gets boring simply starving, and throwing the elderly of cliffs like Paul Ryan likes to do. Freezing them adds a new twist.

Now we’re going to move on to starving the little kiddies in schools next by taking away their lunches, and having the audacity to put the burden of feeding the little snot faced brats to... their parents! (Gasp!)

Fun right?

 

Are you actually mocking the idea that parents should be responsible for feeding their own children?

 

Don't worry about it.
Heating and Air Repair and Replacement Program (HARRP)
The Heating and Air Repair and Replacement Program (HARRP) works closely with the Weatherization Assistance Program to help repair and/or replace old and inefficient heating and air systems in the homes of lower-income families. The program especially focuses on the elderly, families with children, and individuals with disabilities.
http://www.needhelppayingbills.com/html/north_carolina_assistance_prog.html

There's always a sugar tit to suckle on. That's the point. The overlapping programs open opportunities for Democrats to cheat.

 

You racist! That's because Red States have more minorities in their population. I never thought anyone would expose their abject racism on a public website. I was wrong.

 

I agree with you about overlapping redundant programs. However, I'm sure it's not just the Democrats who abuse these welfare type programs..... assuming only Democrats are guilty is only buying into the stereotypes and contributing to the partisan divisiveness

 

Well, I too like to look at the bright side, but in 2011 the Democrats decided to turn politics into a race war. I posted the Edsall article.