TRUMP SHARES OLD VIDEOS OF SCHUMER, HILLARY, OBAMA SUPPORTING BORDER SECURITY

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  1. Fred C Dobbs

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    Which is the demonstrated best method of making border security secure? Forget Trump. Where has there been some genuine success in border security?
     
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    I suppose they may have thought that the term was self explanatory.
     
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    That is their second problem in supposing instead of positively knowing does not work in the Federal government.

    If you want US Taxpayer monies for a border wall...you better have a detail plan of what it is....and all the engineering and logistics of what the total cost is... BEFORE one dollar should be spent.
     
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  4. Fred C Dobbs

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    Agreed, but Trump's order was rather detailed.

    "Soon after his inauguration in January 2017, President Trump issued an executive order asking the Secretary of Homeland Security “to immediately plan, design, and construct a wall or other physical barriers along the southwest border.” Two months later, CBP issued two requests for proposals for “walls”: one for prototypes made of reinforced concrete, and another for prototypes made of “other materials.”

    Six companies were awarded contracts to build eight prototypes, with two companies winning contracts for barriers constructed of both concrete and “other materials”. Among the four prototypes made of "other materials," one was made of corrugated sheet metal with a pipe at the top, one had a concrete base with an opaque metal top half, and two (the only see-through designs of the eight) were made with metal poles making up the bottom half of the structures. These wining prototypes were tested between October and December 2017, and graded on five different factors: scaling, breaching, constructability, engineering design and aesthetics".


    Now there is the inevitable confusion about the design, cost, conflicting political input, and so on. Trump should put some of his people in charge, those who have served him well internationally, and get the thing built. The Army Corp of Engineers might oversee.
    A project of this size cannot be left to the politicians and bureaucrats or nothing will ever be done.
     
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    The inconvenient truth
     
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    Trump needs to keep asking for a billion here and a billion there ....to keep the myth alive.

    This is not the way federal infrastructure projects are completed.
     
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    It means preventing 99% of the illegals and their contranand from getting here by that way
     
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    You dont have to like the wall

    But all the other eyewash you subscribe to was never fully funded in the past 30 years because the swamp in washington is pro illegal alien
     
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    no one says it should not be properly secured, we just do not need a great wall of Trump across the entire southern border, let's address the real issues first
     
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    That is a incorrect conclusion. LIberals particularly hate far right wing white nationalists and their fascist friends.

    And of course racists often misconstrue other's revulsion for them as "reverse" racism, because after all, everyone hates like racists do.

    For instance, I hate all racists regardless of partisanship. According to you that makes me a reverse racist against racist white boys, which true to form is yet another example of how intellectually bankrupt racist white boys actually are.
     
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    It is being addressed and has been for years before Trump took office.
     
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    Not true. The fight for funding a wall can go on regardless. A shutdown is not needed nor is it a result of anything other than ignorance. Issuing an ultimatum and then blaming the consequences of that pointless ultimatum on those Trump's trying to strong-arm does not make it their fault. Trump and the Republicans have a choice in this matter as well.
     
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    There are only two kinds of whites in libdom

    Pandering guilt-ridden white liberals and everyone else
     
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    And don't forget that those cartels and their innovative ways to smuggle drugs into this country would not be possible if there wasn't a huge and demanding market for those drugs. We like to blame them for their capitalism, but we're the ones with the drug problem. You'd think that if we're such a superior culture we wouldn't need those drugs to get through life and after all this time we might have come up with something better than prohibition and a wall in the wrong place.
     
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    I think the point is that a lot of us are not on board with the frantic and politically motivated crisis mode about invasions, terrorists, welfare suckers, gangsters and drug cartels. Should we be concerned? Yes. Do we need to patch up our border and do more to control the flow? Yes. However, the shutdown and other grandstanding are nothing more than a sad and embarrassing joke on the public. One place we can start is by holding employers and others accountable for their hiring and/or contracting practices.
    http://time.com/5039109/donald-trump-undocumented-polish-trump-tower-bonwit-teller/
    https://newrepublic.com/minutes/136...rtual-sweatshop-hired-undocumented-immigrants
    https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/dec/6/donald-trump-companies-ignoring-e-verify-hiring-il/
    https://www.newsweek.com/trump-undocumented-immigrants-tower-demolish-724845
    https://www.newsweek.com/donald-tru...-made-and-toilet-cleaned-undocumented-1247890

    The irony and the flat-out dishonesty in his push for border security is the problem. He is the problem.
     
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    Nah, I don't want to ignore you. This is a discussion forum, not partisan circle jerk.

    I see you took my generalized and accurate comments about a certain group, personally. Now I'm not one to argue if the shoe fits, but it appears you take all discussions and comments personally despite my actually defining the subject of my comment
     
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    Making this a "whataboutObama" thing doesn't change the facts. It's political grandstanding, pure and simple.
     
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    Or the irrational fears of the Republicans?
     
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    And “everyone else” adds up to 99.999 % of conservaville

    It think you will find more racists on liberal college campus or on the hood
     
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    Tossing rocks?? Ok, that does it for me! I'm not going to tolerate any of those terrorists scumbags hired by Soros tossing those dam dirty Mexican rocks onto our sovereign soil. It's time to turn that border into a wall of glass.
     
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    But, will the wall go deeper than the tunnels?
     
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    Yet another trumpian delusion. Guess you didn't notice that at least 30% of the population are scumbag racists (all colors).

    But i get that with your 99.999% exclusion of everyone else that puts you rather in elite company in conservaville.
     
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    You are entitled to your opinion even when you are wrong

    And youre wrong about this
     
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    What 'myth' are you referring to?
     
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    There was a problem with the border long before Trump became President and the issue was part of his election campaign. To make this all about Trump now only indicates that you're not aware of what's been going on for several years.
     

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