Trump tax returns

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Opinion about trump tax returns

  1. Yes, I believe trump

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  2. It seems unlikely that he is always and forever under audit

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  3. I am certain that trump does not want to release his returns and is lying to say he does

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  1. RodB

    RodB Well-Known Member Donor

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    And normal people do not open up their lives to a bunch of gladiators at their gate unless they are abominably stupid. And they sure as hell don't offer up tentative stuff to the pack of busy bodies unless they are dumber than that.
     
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    ARDY Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    simple question
    Do you think he is telling the truth about wanting to provide the returns?


    btw, I believe the house is legally empowered to get the returns as part of their oversight.... how else would anyone discover if he is using his office to enrich himself?
    https://www.npr.org/2018/10/11/6566...-demand-and-get-trumps-tax-returns-here-s-how

    so he wants to do this
    And there is legal authority
    Why not do what you want To do

    btw.... if you get a mortgage you will likely have to provide tax returns

    if you apply for public assistance, you will have to provide tax returns

    some security clearance require accessing your tax returns

    courts can command access to taxes

    the dept of education can if you are applying for a student loan
     
  3. Bluesguy

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    Source: IRS Data Book 2018
    https://www.taxdebthelp.com/tax-problems/tax-audit/irs-audit-statistics
     
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    mitchscove Well-Known Member Donor

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    No. The one Obama corrupted by slow walking applications for free speech and auditing those who dare utter conservative speech.
     
  5. Golem

    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

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    So I guess all Presidents and most presidential candidates since Nixon have been "abominably stupid", because they all released theirs. Busy bodies don't appear to have scared them like they scare Trump.

    Let's be serious. We all know that the tax records will eventually be made public. And the probabilities that crimes will be revealed from them are pretty.... astronomical.....
     
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    Yes, though I think he changed his mind. In any case, so what??


    The house has no -- as in none, nada, zip, zero -- authority to get Trump's tax returns. Oversight relates to the functioning of the government and it involves individuals only in connection to the proper functioning of the government. Trump's tax returns have no -- as in none, nada, zip, zero-- connection whatsoever with congressional oversight.

     
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    They weren't busy bodies clamoring for impeachment. They were just mildly interested and sane people. Chances are almost nil that his returns will be made public, and less than that there is any crime in them -- loud mouth braggadocios house members thinking they can comb through tax returns better than the IRS not withstanding. Hell, they think they are smarter than morons, too.
     
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    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

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    You seem to be under the impression that Congress seeks Trump's tax returns to make sure he paid them correctly. Where does that come from?

    Nothing further from the truth. I'm sure that the tax returns were properly audited. If they were audited... which I doubt. But even if they weren't, I'm pretty sure he paid what he owed. That is not the purpose....
     
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    Other presidents do.. Do you want secrecy, corruption and conflicts of interest?
     
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    Here is from a source you can potentially comprehend

    IRS audits more poor taxpayers because it's easier, cheaper than targeting the rich
    https://www.foxbusiness.com/money/irs-audits-poor-taxpayers-easier
    “When questioned by Oregon Democrat Sen. Ron Wyden as to why a large proportion of lower-income taxpayers were being audited, IRS commissioner Charles Rettig admitted it is a much easier and less costly task when compared with auditing higher-income tax returns.
    Further, due to the required degree of employee experience and skill set, the IRS said it cannot “simply shift examination resources” from the simpler audits to the more complex ones. There is also a higher turnover rate among these more-experienced auditors, who generally have "substantial accounting skills," among other qualifications.”
     
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    You will have to source such an absurd statement.

    Or are you talking about the IRS guideline that put increased scrutiny for tax exempt status on obvious political groups that also affected liberal groups as well?
     
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    Well hell, I stand corrected..

    But with any disagreement and sourcing, the narrative are plentiful for either claim and or agenda..

    Who is most likely to be audited?
    Then there is the WHERE, WHO and WHY ;)

    Where in The U.S. Are You Most Likely to Be Audited by the IRS?
    Also the percentages are going to be a skewed for the simple fact they are far many average wage earners then their are rich people. Plus the IRS has to justify their worth and generate enough fines to justify their employment numbers. ALL THAT ASIDE, if ANYONE is audited, fined or worse, RICH or POOR what difference does it make, a tax cheat is a tax cheat, right?
     
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    As usual .... FAKE NEWS.
     
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    Well isn't that what Governments are, if anyone believes this norm can be voted out by simply replacing those folks in Washington with another or their party then history will simply continue the way it's always been ;)
     
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    Talk about corruption no dem ever cared about.
    https://medium.com/@willpflaum/clin...-charity-10-to-travel-and-events-fdbbb54ca090
     
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    You do realize since Trump's the president he can stop them from doing an audit right? And then he will release them. you don't think the IRS is any good at auditing people?

    I know this is the fall back when the Russia conspiracy fell apart now that the Ukraine conspiracy is falling apart we're regressing back to this.
     
  19. Bluesguy

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    Jerry Brown refused to release his when he ran for governor in 2016, what was he hiding. Most politicians don't release their tax returns what are they hiding?


    Most members of Congress keep their tax returns secret
    “First your publishers and editors and execs should publish their tax returns. They have great influence over public policy,” Rep. Gary Ackerman, D-N.Y., said in an emailed response.
    https://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/politics-government/election/article24732952.html


    And they get snarky about it. What are they hiding?

    "We checked an archive of presidential tax returns maintained by the Tax Analysts, a publisher specializing in tax policy. It shows that going back to 1976, all but one major-party nominee released at least one return.

    Only Republican Gerald Ford, who lost to Democrat Jimmy Carter in 1976, did not release returns (he released summary tax data), the archive shows. FactCheck.org also found Ford to be the one exception."
    https://www.politifact.com/wisconsi...-trump-only-major-party-nominee-40-years-not/

    What was he hiding.

    The better question is what do you expect to find in them that isn't already on his financial disclosure form and any of your business?
     
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    If there are crimes in his tax returns then why hasn't the IRS prosecuted them? What crimes are listed in his tax return, which form is that?
     
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    I assume you meant "can't stop" the IRS from doing an audit of him. I believe by statute a President can't circumvent an IRS audit. But of course he also has to submit a detailed financial statement each year, and the year he was a candidate, which contains FAR MORE detailed financial information. The left says they want them so they can see how much he is REALLY worth and if he lied about. Or who he owes money. Well that's not it a tax return it's information about the value of his assets and and investments and other holdings and even who he owes money are in his financial disclosures.
     
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    That is incorrect the president is the hmfic of the IRS. He can absolutely order them to stop.
     
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    Well I don't know what you mean by hmfic but I know of no law that exempts him or gives him the authority to interfere with ANY IRS audit or action. The LAW makes it mandatory he is audited every year while President, it is by statute.
     
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    Because the IRS is not looking for crimes. It's only looking for their money.

    Assuming that the tax returns were even under audit... It's not clear that they ever were.
     
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    HMFIC= HEAD MOTHER FORNICATOR IN CHARGE.

    I thought everybody knew that.

    If you're in charge of the IRS yes you do. The president can pardon people from murder sentences. He can pardon himself from an IRS.

    Just for your information anytime someone tells me that something is the law I want to see it in writing. Show me the statute.
     

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