Trump threatens shooting of Central American migrants who throw stones

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    Immaterial. We need to bring up and actually TEACH our own people. We have 330 million people. Get rid of tenure and base teachers security on performance, not hours spent in the classroom. I contract engineer. Every job I am like a new employee who has to prove himself all over again. We need to get more QUALITY engineers. It is our school system that is failing. Why does as a percentage the cost of education going continually up, and the quality going down? Because we do not make students meet expectations. I hired engineers in the 1980s when I ran an engineering company, and in the late 1980s when I owned my own engineering firm. The graduates are in a constant state of decline. We have to fix things here, not hire from without. there are no more groups of German scientist that were major development of our space race.
     
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    No, I do not play golf. But Hollywood is the leader of the drug trade and glamorization of it, being a solid reason to build a wall, and hang drug dealers trying to import the drugs if caught. China during the 18th century got hooked on drugs by the British and China fell into the toilet. The exception being Mary Jane which should be legalized.
     
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    We have 330 million people to design advanced weapons. We are doing fine. The problem is, Chinese nationals are using computers and spies to steal our technology.
     
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    I have said this all along. And if Trump shuts the border, the loss of business for Mexico will devastate their economy.
     
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    The national guard is dual purpose and is under control of both the state, specifically the gov. and the federal Govt. The feds sponsor the basic and week end training and the 15 consecutive day peryear training they have as perform like regulars, often anywhere around the world at times. Their equipment is from federal supplies. The state copays the salary of troops when not on active duty., though not sure now. The governor can call up the Guard for instate duties as well as provide them for local services, and even to other states if requested when federally empowered.

    . When they are activated by the feds, they become regular duty personnel like any branch of the service and fight along side the regular army or air force personell.
    Contrary to how they are proported in movies and TV, many are regular service who become guardsman after mustering out of regular Army or airforce. They tend to be older then regular army or airforce , are more experienced and do quite well in competition during 2 week peryear training competitions along side the regulars at active duty bases, some around the world by request.
    They have been called to war, wounded and died along side the regulars.in foreign lands. But no, unless they were specifically trained as military police or military intel, they are not policeman....which are much better trained in law enforcement. Big difference between police and military.
    In practice, they are the true militia of the states until activated by the feds.

    Anything else you’d like to know ?
     
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    Hacking ? Among whom is the Trumpster who refuses to changeover his iPhone . He’s a national security risk.
    We don’t have 330 million people who design weapons. Wth did you get that idea.
     
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    I would know...I don’t deal in trivia. That’s up to Faux news.
     
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    May be to eventually serve in the US military. There are now 65,000 immigrants serving in the armed forces.

    In addition, the military is opening up the service to illegal immigrants in specialized fields like foreign language and healthcare.

    Ha ha
    You have thousands of immigrants protecting the Von Trump sorry fat butt.
     
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    The only way you’re going to get more Quality engineers or any-other field , is to make education more affordable to the middle class. Our graduated schools are filled with foreign nationals. One reason is, their sponsor ship from abroad pays for them. You guys whine like little puppies over expanding educational opportunity funding to our citizens, then wonder why we are becoming more and more dependent upon foreign national I,migrant labor To fill the high tech jobs. Conservatives are a bunch of hypocrites and their lack of support for higher education for our middle class is troubling.

    It starts in areas like denial of climate change. You want better educate youth that what, go agsint the very science that supports climate change....more hypocracy. You’d rather they go to religious schools that teach religion and that the earth is 6000 years old....that doesn’t help. Another conflict that gets in the way of more engineers.

    Trumps secretary of education is sabotaging the very thing you say you want. Trump is anti education. His failed scam of Trump U is proof.
     
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    Ehm ... and this is your answer with facts to refute what I wrote? Seriously?
     
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    Dont go down the road of better educated populous. They tend to be more liberal then less. You can’t get many people educated in real science they need for engineering to continue believing in the tooth fairy the GOP supports.
     
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    And I see a lot of people who are the victims of the persistent, outrageous US mixtures in the internal affairs of the sovereign Central American states ... as in Honduras 2009 where the US supported the coup against the democratically elected president and where since then the country became the shithole of now!
    I see people, whom the USA forbade to live their Way of life because against US interest and where the US is now also frbidding the American Dream too.

    Your own evil deeds sometimes catch you in one way or another, like now, eh?
    But of course, then again arrogant and ignorant reacts as now ... and before a confession of guilt comes from the US, rather freezes the hell!
     
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    Yes
     
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    I see you have been burning up google, good for you to educate yourself. However, the guard can and do work as policemen, as was the case in Katrina. They are trained to be holders of the peace,

    But as far as being the TRUE Militia, nope. The unregulated Militia is composed of men between the ages of 16 and 60 if my memory is correct, and have well regulated arms (well maintained, which many people believe, erroneously, that it means the militia is regulated by government, instead of the military term "well regulated" means "well maintained equipment").
    The true militia fired on the British when they come to take the arms of the revolutionaries during the "shot heard round the world". The national guard is just another military unit, in an successful attempt to bypass the use of military within the united states. Review the civil war National guard type troops.
     
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    Meaning we can educate enough people out of 330 million to design arms. I DO agree about Trump's phone just like Hillary's email server and private email. However on the flip side, our code breakers as far back as WW2 could read "secure" German, Italian and Japanese that those countries believed unbreakable. I really don't think there are any real secrets any more. Everyone is reading everyone else's diary on a daily basis. We actually need to return to some "islands of automation", in other words, sealed systems with no local download devise. I could go on for hours and write a book on the failure of both government and private computer security failures.
     
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    Unfortunately not correct ...

    There is the regulated militia, which is the National Guard. The Governor has access and command to them in times of peace and he can use them in catastrophes and the like ... including riots like back in Los Angeles at the end of the 1980's.
    In case of war, it is an extension of the US Army and US Air Force, forming its own units up to division level.

    The State Defense Force (SDF), however, is solely under the command of the governor, but also serves as a personnel reserve for the National Guard and the US Army and US Air Force in case of war.

    The unregulated militia includes all physically fit men between ages 17 and 45 who are not already members of the National Guard! These militia are purely a personnel reserve and not an active unit! Only in Texas, which often plays a special role, are there unregulated militia, which can be temporarily set up by the governor or a county sheriff if necessary to maintain peace!

    The numerous private militias, which often have a political background, are mistakenly referred to as unregulated militia, but are only a product of a gray area of the US Constitution and not to be confused with the constitutional, official militia!
     
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    No, we need to get rid of the faux educated. I have seen in my career many untrained (formal education) that were far more valuable than so called "educated" people. Please also not, an extreme high numbers of engineers are conservative. They want evidence, not drama. We need to push math and science in the schools than worry about who's gay, what kind of drugs can I get high one this weekend, and how can I get a 4 year degree and not have to work for it, like liberal arts. Most professors with tenure are liberal, because they don't have to EARN their position and there are few evaluators. We have false belief in education. America's university turns out too many educated idiots, who cannot think out side the box, in fact, cannot think inside the box.

    I have a list of all the Trump successes, and the idiot voters only care about "feelings". Trump is the Patton of our time in politics. He is raw, brutal, but extremely effective. I think as things are going, Trump will be reelected in 2020. All of the democrats who hammered the confirmation of Kavanaugh, LOST their seats. Many people don't realize that if you don't have a job, and you don't have income independent of government, you become a slave. Trump is breaking all the records for employment, personal wealth etc. He wants to close the borders to stop the flow of drugs as well as illegal aliens. Smart man he is and people are finally seeing past all the fake news (thank god for twitter, he can get his message out). What bothers me is how much money that certain people can "buy" elections with. This is a very bad thing for our democracy, and it is the same thing that doomed Rome near the end, corruption and purchased power.
     
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    That part about the unregulated militia is correct. It is 17-45, I did it from memory and my memory serves me wrong. The rest about the unregulated militia is just your imagination. It is any form of the people who bear arms, pollical or not, are the unregulated Militia. Well regulated simply means "well maintained", the same nomenclature as we had in the service, you kept your weapons and gear "well regulated". The national guard is just a dodge of using the military inside the united states by calling it a state militia. If it can be commanded by the president, and it is a PAID BY GOVERNMENT, it is really an extension of the army reserve.

    The constitution only talks about a "well regulated" (meaning well maintained) militia "for the security of a FREE STATE, and then they describe the militia as being "the right of the people to keep and bare arms" (with no limitations I might add to what constitutes "arms"), and that is what is the description of a militia, private citizens. Couple that with the 10th amendment, which gives the federal government only the powers clearly defined by the constitution, and none others, then add the 14 under incorporation bringing the states under the limitations of the same federal constitution and being subject to the constitution including it's amendments, and all levels of government are restricted to only the powers SPECIFICALLY granted to the government at all levels, which in turn, the 14th eliminated "the states" powers of the 10th were stripped, leaving it down to "the people" and their rights and powers supreme.

    What you have backwards is the constitution is a contract, and the government does not give you rights, the people give the government it's power, a key thing they no longer teach or do we follow the constitution as such, and that is leading our nation into decline.
     
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    Oh by the way, show me in the constitution where the government is authorized to have an "official" Militia. your fantasy doesn't exist.
     
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    So no argument, thanks for proving me right. Illegal drugs are not trivia, unless you are thinking at the shallow end of the pool.
     
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    Not my fantasy ... bad words taken by me. What I mean is a militia as in constitution described! ;-)

    So far correct ... and not against what I wrote, but better worded :)

    But this with the militia and the constituional right of a gun is something what is well disputed in the US. I as foreigner have my own opinion about this topic and will never discuss about again ... but one counter argument I read was that only people being part of a regulated militia have the constitutional right of a gun ... but I stay completely out of this issue :)
     
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    Lol. Yeah, that's it.
     
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    Do you really need us to tell you the many instances of bogus stories by NBC and CNN?
     
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    The bogus stories like, climate change is real and the caravan hype is a hoax. Yup. Shawn Hannity is the Joseph Goebbels of Humper pawns.
     
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    Why don’t you look the legal discription. If the guard is answerable to governor, they ARE the state militia. That’s legally apparent. You want your little untrained, poorly prepared friends to play soldier, fine. They will never be called up to support anything but their socks. Their biggest activity according to the military heads, is stealing military equipment.
    The national guard is the state militia.

    And no, not much googling was required p; if you were ever in the military, you would have been introduced to the hierarchy of military service and the chain of command that goes with it during basic training.

    It’s laughable to think a private militia could do anything but provide intra militia high fives. Your first responsibility during a real national emergency. In a world we’re digital communication is required, you have no means to communicate with the regulars. Just stay the fk out if the way, as you could get hurt if you don’t. The guard units have jet fighters and real equipment. You go ahead and fire at a foreign invader while the military is engaged, if when....then duck.

    Any military of any govt, even third world, would make mincemeat if you guys with your weak firepower and inability to communicate ever got in the way. Reserve your threats for civiys with rocks.
     
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