Trump to Russia: 'Get ready' for US missile attack

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  1. zoom_copter66

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    "Power strikes" against ukranian troops!!! You bet, typical Asiatic moskali response....if you can't go head to head with the big dog...just pick on the smaller one that can't fight back. It's not a wonder these russkis are the Bassett hounds of the Europeans,LOL:)).!
     
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    You target the sites from which the Tomahawks were launched, whether air launched or sea launched.
     
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    Russia is not the Soviet Union. The Soviet Union was ideologically communist and opposed Western capitalism. The Soviet members of Politburo were true believers in their ideology and could have attacked the West for ideological reasons. They also did not have family members or investments in the West. Not to mention that their military was a lot larger than a modern Russian one.
     
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    Well...hopefully the diplomacy can read....To Assad...courtesy USS Eisenhower?;))?
     
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    In Call to Netanyahu, Putin Urges Israel Not to Take Action in Syria

    Netanyahu told Putin: Israel will not permit Iran to set up military presence in Syria ■ Israel is on high alert for any Iranian retaliation after direct threat from Iran ■ Trump warns Syria of possible attack ■ Russia to Trump: We don't do Twitter diplomacy


    Russian President Vladimir Putin and Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu spoke on Wednesday, and the Russian leader urged Israel not to take action in Syria and to threaten its security. Israeli officials confirmed the call took place and said that Netanyahu told Putin that Israel will not permit Iran to set up a military presence in Syria.

    The news of the telephone call between Netanyahu and Putin appeared as Netanyahu took the stage in Israel's main Holocaust memorial event and issued a threat to Iran not to "test Israel's resolve." The Russians announced the call in statement on the website of the Kremlin, which specified that Putin insisted it is "important" to maintain Syria's sovereignty.

    Israel is on high alert for any Iranian retaliation after Tehran's direct threat Tuesday, as well as any possible U.S. strike against Syria's Assad regime in retaliation to the chemical attack at Douma.

    Netanyahu lashed out at Iran during his Holocaust memorial speech, saying it was still intent on destroying Israel. Netanyahu also ripped into the landmark nuclear accord reached between Teheran and world powers and said: "I have a message for the leaders of Iran: Don't test Israel's resolve."

    Netanyahu also took the opportunity to condemn the Syrian regime and the recent chemical attack in Syria, saying that "murderous evil that is not stood up against spreads rapidly."

    ... https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news...-israel-not-to-take-action-in-syria-1.5992415
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    It's interesting how Iran is factoring into this now. Are we looking at joint US-Israeli military action to come against Assad and Iran, with Russia either getting bloodied in the process or getting out of the way?
     
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    I'm inclined to agree. Putin didn't go to war with the U.S. over Georgia and I don't see him going to war over Syria.
     
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    Trump openly welcomed Russia getting involved in Syria. Seems relevant.
     
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    Well, he is kind of a moron.
     
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    I disagree with Jake on everything but his point that any missile fired by any USA ship, aircraft, submarine or base that hits Russians makes the point of launch a legitimate target for Russia.

    Whether or not Putin decides to declare war is an entirely different matter. Our military has already killed scores of Russian mercs operating in Syria and the Kremlin didn't respond with a declaration of war, so we'll what happens.

    Remember how I told you it would take the USS Harry S. Truman and its strike group 1 1/2 to 2 weeks to reach Syria from Norfolk? The good news is that gives Washington and Moscow some time to work something out before the Tomohawks start flying. I think there's a lot more to this than just the missile attack - as I speculated earlier, I think we're seeing the first round of negotiations concerning post-war Syria play out right now. Think of what is unfolding at the moment as the opening moves in a game of geostrategic chess.

    Retroiboi has said that he doesn't believe Russia can and will go to war with the U.S. and I agree with him. The question in my mind is how hard Trump and perhaps our Arab, European and Turkish allies/partners are willing to push Assad and his supporters.
     
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    There are also a lot of Americans who realize that the only way to deal with bullies is to stand up to them. If you don't, they'll walk all over you like they did to Obama.
     
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    What moron would put troops into Syria in the first place, causing this mess?
     
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    Quite a few moron's apparently... Erdogan, Khomeini, Putin, Obama, Nasrallah,
     
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    That's a good set of morons
     
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    Obama had about 250 special ops in place, Trump sent around 4000. Which would you blame?
     
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    Why is it the alt left extremists can't answer simple questions? Who GOT US into Syria? How about Libya (droning the leader of a sovereign nation)?
     
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    putin needs a warm water port and air bases in the region thats why Russia in Syria
     
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    It certainly looks like that to me as I wrote in this post
    http://www.politicalforum.com/index...-children-haley.530293/page-5#post-1068933469

    I still find it strange the way you seem to believe you can do anything you want to Russia 'with Russia either getting bloodied in the process or getting out of the way' without facing any consequences.
     
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    I did not mean to imply that there would be no consequences, although it's hard to imagine Russia attacking us in return. As has been discussed previously, they don't have great means to do so, and the repercussions for them would also be terrible. It seems more likely that they would withdraw and not risk nuclear war over Assad.
     
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    Indeed that is why they moved in. I have also heard several politicians with hindsight understanding how Russia felt threatened with the build up on Nato in Eastern Europe leading to Crimea and her actions in Ukraine but I see nowhere any belief in this thread that Russia is anything more than a trifle who is under America's thumb and who they can treat with the greatest disrespect with no consequences.
     
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    We're sending a much younger ambassador on this diplomatic mission - the USS Harry S. Truman - along with some of our most advanced Aegis Class guided missile destroyers.

    There comes a time when you have to let the kids take over. :wink:
     
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    Why is Libya always brought up? They aren't half the issue and Khaddafi (sp?) was a true terrorist.
     
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    Withdraw to where. They always had a military presence in Syria. That was why they came in as that was threatened. I almost get the feeling the US is playing chicken with Russia. I think that is a very dangerous move. I am pretty sure that China has come to some sort of agreement with Russia should either of them require assistance though as people were saying it would probably come to nukes very soon and from what I have heard both the US and Russia could become trigger happy there.
     
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    Trump would love to have a Trump TV in the USA, the place for all Americans to get their Alternative facts
     
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    Trump's Russia tweets show how misinformation can lead to global crisis
    Trump’s threat is unlike anything from a US president in modern history – triggered, most likely, by edited or mistranslated remarks

    Donald Trump’s Wednesday’s morning Twitter storm warning Russia to “get ready” for US missiles fired at Syria was a frighteningly clear illustration of how wars can start by miscalculation.

    While the trigger points in the president’s mind are unknowable, it seems likely from past experience that he had seen something on the morning news – most probably a version of remarks by a Russian diplomat in Lebanon that may have been edited or mistranslated to make them sound worse than they were.

    According to a report in Arabic translated into English, the diplomat – Alexander Zasypkin – was warning that Russia would shoot down any incoming US missiles and attack the ships, submarines or planes they were fired from.

    That went further than the official Russian red line, laid down by the chief of general staff, Valery Gerasimov, in March, that Russia would use its air defences and other weapons to respond to a threat to Russian servicemen in the region.

    Whatever Zasypkin did or did not say, it unleashed a direct threat against Russia unlike anything seen from a US president in modern history, the Cuban missile crisis included. It was more like a piece of dialogue from Dr Strangelove.

    “Get ready Russia, because they will be coming, nice and new and ‘smart!’” was the line from Trump’s thumb at 7am.

    The missiles have not been fired so far, and the president sent out a slightly more conciliatory tweet an hour later. But his initial gut level response will have had its effect as it was heard down the US chain of command, rippling out to US allies and enemies.

    It will make it harder to climb down and determine if a way can be found out of the present crisis.

    ... ctd: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news...-how-misinformation-can-lead-to-global-crisis
     
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    True, but there are broader geostrategic reasons why Russia is in Syria.

    Speaking of ports, why do you think Putin invaded Georgia and Ukraine?

    Here's a hint: The Black Sea Fleet.
     

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