Trump urges attorney general to craft 'Obamagate' report to damage Biden before election

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  1. Grey Matter

    Grey Matter Well-Known Member Donor

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    Trumpsters are psyched that Durham has an 18 USC 1001 charge in which an FBI lawyer has plead guilty to his nit-witted modification of a CIA email.

    Where is the charge against Comey for his Halloween surprise?

    Internal affairs at the DOJ just allows him to skate, because it was at most a policy violation that Lynch chose to ignore?

    I guess it was ok under the emergency exception..., hahaha

    https://www.justice.gov/jm/jm-1-7000-media-relations#1-7.400
     
  2. Professor Peabody

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    It ain't even September yet. Guess again, he's pleading guilty to making "THE" false statement that resulted in the Obama/Biden administration spying on Trump's campaign through the FISA Court......Bigger than Watergate........Biden's finished.
     
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  3. Grey Matter

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    You seem a bit uniformed about all of this.

    *THE* initial action that led to Crossfire Hurricane was Papadopoulos mouthing off to the top Aussie representative to the Crown in London at a hotel bar.

    Try again chief....
     
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    You try again, that's not what he pled guilty to. It doesn't matter what happened after the "initial" action, it's all about what they did about it my friend. You can't lie to obtain a FISA warrant, he did and will burn for it or roll on his superiors.
     
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    Nah. Your interpretation is flawed about that.

    Huh? I'm what universe?

    "finshed"? How?

    He is on track to be the next President.

    Exactly how is he "finished"?
     
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    Excuse me if I take you to task about that after the election, few are voting for Jim Crow Joe.
     
  7. Grey Matter

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    Here is the damn document about the charges.

    https://www.politico.com/f/?id=00000173-edc6-d94e-a1f7-edd796a40000

    All he plead guilty to was modifying a CIA email that was used as part of the very last FISA warrant that authorized a phone tap / electronic surveillance of Carter Page, a CIA operational contact.

    Hence, the final disposition of the Carter Page surveillance was zip, zero, nada.

    Because dumbass Clinesmith was out of his element.

    And the CIA shutdown the FBI surveillance.

    Most likely by coaching Page on how to deal with it.

    This FISA crap surveilled nothing other Page.

    No damn Trump Tower wiretaps, etc....

    You keep dreaming about it.

    You may get your wish with your man Trump sitting in the Oval.
     
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    Trump’s campaign was not “spied on”.

    Continuing to say it will never make it true.
     
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    Papadopoulos was a set up job by CIA/FBI. Papa claims there are tapes of the Meetings. Trey Gowdy claimed the tapes as a game changer, both claim exculpatory. How would the fbi/cia have tapes of a conversation in a London bar with an Australian.

    The Obama Administration was rollin’ dirty, and you know this....man. It’s the reason why you are so pissed to have the truth come out before the election. Absolutely amazing you want to suppress the truth for political advantage.
     
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    The fisa warrants were only for carter page? Let me explain how that works.
    A warrant is issued on carter page and he is under surveillance. All of carter page’s contacts fall under the warrant’s umbrella and they too are spied on. But wait, there’s more! All of the contacts of carter page’s contacts are also under the umbrella and they too are spied on.
     
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    Ok ... where are the tapes? Why haven’t we heard them?
    Or do you just believe that such tapes exist (and the content) because someone said so?

    If so, you must apply the same standard to pee tapes.
     
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    That’s simply not true. You made it up.
     
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    Durham has them.
     
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    Research it for yourself.
     
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    Yeah, I’ve researched it. You made it up.
     
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    15 whole minutes huh?
     
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  17. bx4

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    Yeah. If you claim that the surveillance of one person permits surveillance of all of that person’s contacts and all of those people’s contacts, you’re going to have to prove it.

    I know you can’t because it isn’t true.
     
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    cool the purpose isn’t to impact the election.

    the investigation started some time ago as well.

    and i find it quite ironic that you are suggesting trump weaponized the DOJ over this investigation about how the OBama DOJ abused their power to undermine the 2016 election....where at least one person has already been convicted
     
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    Yes, but it's doubtful that warrant application was started and finished the day it was filed. And October 2016 was prior to the election.

    I agree the warrants were all complete farces. But it allowed them to spy on Carter Page and, thanks to the two-hop rule, anybody that talked to someone that Carter Page talked to. So, potentially thousands of people, and EVERYONE in the Trump campaign.

    Not sure what you mean by "Why else did nothing come of it?" Papadopoulos was set up by the liberal FBI agents and CIA trying to run a setup operation against him. He was spied on because liberals told him Russians had Hillary's emails, lol? Remember Mifsud? Western intelligence. Papadopoulos served his whopping 14-day sentence, and we now know that the prosecutors withheld Brady material showing Papa had been set up. Just like they did with Flynn.

    Stone was also prosecuted for nothing more than trying to find out information about who had Hillary's emails.

    All a witch hunt. All a farce set of spying and investigating. All concocted by a GROUP of liberal agents in the DOJ, FBI, and CIA. In other words, a criminal conspiracy.
     
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    Trump told a JOKE at a rally. Geez. It's nothing like Dementia Joe bragging about his quid pro quo with Ukraine. "Son of a b, they fired him."

    A spying operation, lol. Without ANY evidence of Muh Clooshun, defrauding the FISA court, illegally prosecuting people, etc...

    Uh, nope. Comey wanted to bag Trump.


    Except illegally spy on them, violate their Constitutional rights, withhold Brady material in court proceedings before the FISA and other courts, etc. If you consider that "nothing significant" then you'd easily argue that Nixon shouldn't have resigned.
     
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    I don’t blame you for not wanting to believe it. But it is definitely true.
     
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    https://www.westernjournal.com/fisa-two-hop-loophole-resulted-trump-wiretapped/
    https://www.aclu.org/blog/national-security/secrecy/are-two-hops-too-many
    https://www.theepochtimes.com/fisa-abuse-widespread-under-obama-administration-2_2465325.html
    https://nationalinterest.org/commentary/nsa-three-hops-youre-out-8766
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...c3056c-eee3-11e2-9008-61e94a7ea20d_story.html

    Your turn.
     
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    That’s about data collection, not surveillance. I’m surprised it goes that far so thank you for bringing it to my attention, but it does not amount to “surveillance”.

    Take Carter Page. There was a warrant to surveille him (after he had already left the campaign). The links you posted showed that the warrant would allow them to identify everyone he called. And maybe everyone those people had called. But that’s it - just identify them.
    The warrant naming Page would not allow them to listen in on any calls that he was not on.
    Those links fall well short of what Crownline was asserting.
     
  24. Grey Matter

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    Papadopoulos was setup job by the CIA/FBI?

    What is your source for this assertion?

    He was targeted only after the fact of the wikileaks email publications circa July 2016 according to this article:

    In April 2018, the House Intelligence Committee, then in Republican control, released a report on Russian interference in the 2016 election, as well as the American response to it. The report stated that the FBI opened its counterintelligence probe in late July 2016 "following the receipt of derogatory information about foreign policy advisor George Papadopoulos".

    Classic stuff really, popping off at a hotel bar to Alex Downer back in April 2016 about his Russian sources.

    There is no assertion that there is a tape of this conversation.

    The intel is based on the word of Alex Downer.

    As if he had nothing better to do, eh?

    Trey Gowdy? He and Lindsey's services to the Donald are, I'm sure, most appreciated.

    I'm not interested in your biased spin, as I'll point out in my response to your next post.

    However, man, your assertion that I want to suppress the truth is, well, laughable.

    By the way, I'm still tiresomely awaiting your response to provide some backup to your concern about demented Joe's role in the unmasking of Flynn and your unilateral defense of the Trump administration, on its own terms, with respect to my reply to you in post 11.

    I find it very disappointing that those on Team Trump so often rely on whataboutisms as a defense for Trump's indefensible stuff.
     
  25. Grey Matter

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    I definitely do not know that that is how it works.

    How do you?

    Have you worked for the FBI?

    Show your sources.

    I thought I was going to answer a bit more responding to this post, but I now see that it was 21Bronco that actually provided some sources for your assertions along this line of reasoning.
     

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