Trump wants the GOP to be tougher defending him

Impeachment and the trial is not a legal issue. It is a political issue. A President can be impeached and removed from office even if he hasn't broken the law.

 

Most of your posts are content free. You've had very little new since you started denouncing Donald Trump after the 2016 general election.

 

But should he be?

 

If you ask me, the first think we should do is charge Mark Zuckerberg with knowingly violating the federal ban on foreign political ads.

He admitted while testifying to Congress that he and other Facebook executives knew that Russia was illegally buying political ad space on Facebook for well over a year before the election. He was knowingly selling space on his website to put up political ads paid for by a foreign government. Since it's illegal for foreign governments to pay for political ads in the US, it must also be a crime to knowingly sell space for such ads. Zuckerberg broke the law. He should be charged.

 

This has to do with the topic of this thread how?

 

The latest Gallup Poll shows a 39% job approval rating for Trump. https://news.gallup.com/poll/203207/trump-job-approval-weekly.aspx

Trump's favorite poll, Rasmussen Reports, shows 44% of likely U.S. Voters approve of Trump’s job performance. Fifty-three percent (53%) disapprove. http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/trump_administration/prez_track_oct23

That is quite low for the Trump friendly poll.

What does that mean exactly? It means that roughly 40% of Americans support Trump's cooperation with Russia. Or, Trump's supporters have no idea what is going on and they don't want to know. For example, on PF they have completely ignored the thread that deals specifically with Trump facilitating Russian goals.

It means roughly 40% of Americans support Trump's request for foreign intervention of our Presidential election, asking Ukraine to dig up dirt on his political opponent.

It means roughly 40% of Americans support Trump's extortion of the Ukrainian president, using military aid approved by Congress to compel Zelensky to do his bidding.

Trump's request for foreign intervention in our election and his use of Congressionally approved military aid as a bribe has been confirmed by White House sources, the transcript of the July 25th call and the testimonies of Trump's own advisors, including his acting chief of staff, Mick Mulvaney. Other witnesses include:

Former U.S. Special Envoy to Ukraine Kurt Volker, Intelligence Community Inspector General Michael Atkinson, E.U. Ambassador Gordon Sondland, Former ambassador to Ukraine Marie Yovanovitch, and Bill Taylor, the acting U.S. ambassador to Ukraine.

What is far worse is that Trump Republicans in Congress also approve of Trump's bizarre behavior. As matters stand now, they don't think aiding Putin in his goals, requesting foreign intervention in our elections, and bribery, using Congressionally approved military aid to a nation invaded by Russian forces, is not sufficient to remove Trump from office.

Trump is going down. That is obvious.

And he is going to take the Republican Party with him.

 

Someone please tell me how Trump is being denied due process. He doesn't want his day in "court." He is stonewalling everything.

The Republicans who made complete fools of themselves today are demanding open hearings.

First, Republicans have as many rights as Democrats in those closed door hearings. Jordan and company do not want you to know that.

Secondly, "Be careful what you wish for." When all this comes out, and it will, it will not be good for Trump.

Republicans protesting the impeachment inquiry say nothing about the mounting evidence against Trump. Without basis, they question only the process. That is because the evidence is damning.

And they are demanding open hearings?

 

So I'm taking you are protecting the Republicans from looking bad now as to looking bad later? Well, OK? I guess there is some sort of odd leftist sympathetic logic in there someplace, I THINK

So, again, THANKS? I GUESS? ¯\_(º¸º)_/¯

 

Senate Republicans, McConnell, Graham, Thune, and others have been critical of Trump. According to Trump, they are "human scum."

That's what he said.



Donald J. Trump ✔ @realDonaldTrump


The Never Trumper Republicans, though on respirators with not many left, are in certain ways worse and more dangerous for our Country than the Do Nothing Democrats. Watch out for them, they are human scum!

10:48 AM - Oct 23, 2019

 

Whatever gave you that idea? Was it something I said?

 

Nah something you WROTE

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Bring on the transparency from out of the darkness. Bring it on home.

 

That is protecting Republicans? I was mocking them. Do you have a reading comprehension problem?

 

Yes it reads that way..

Clearly a warning and then consequence and ending in what you believe is a mistake..

 

I want the GOP in congress to remember what happened to Trent Lott, and then remember what happened to Ralph Northam and Justin Fairfax, and fight like bloody hell with clubs and knives.

It's that simple.

 

I fully agree. We will get rid of Trump quicker that way. If Americans know the truth, Trump's base will disappear and they will scream for his removal from office. Already 50 to 52% of Americans feel that way. https://news.gallup.com/poll/267491/congress-approval-support-impeaching-trump.aspx

That poll was taken on Oct. 16. Those wanting him removed from office is probably higher now.

Although they can't defend him -- yourself, for example -- Republicans are hanging with him. Why? I have no idea. It is always been a mystery to me how a person can still loyal to a man while being unable to defend his decisions and statements. That is very strange.

Is it because they can't admit they made a mistake? They voted for a man who is doing all he can for Putin and Russia while creating chaos at the highest levels of our government. Or, is it because Trump is doing exactly what his supporters want him to do?

Which is it? It has to be one or the other.

 

Oooo! That naughty "left!"

Fake Don is so relentlessly restrained and respectful!

Meanwhile, Trump's GOP "pompous ass" is being encouraged to lead a Republican investigation that would have Fake Don and the RINOs of Trumpery apoplectic!

 

Is Senator Lindsey Graham stupid? Does Graham think the American people are stupid?

I ask these questions because, in his presentation yesterday, he didn't know the difference between an impeachment inquiry and articles of impeachment.

He said the full House voted down an impeachment inquiry in July. Then he put up a poster to proves his point. The poster showed clearly that the full House voted down Al Green's Articles of Impeachment of Trump. That has happened a few times in the House. Green is premature, to say the least.

Urging that the full House vote on an impeachment inquiry, he proudly displayed the fact that was done in the case of Bill Clinton. He even had another poster to prove it. Problem is, his poster showed the vote on the Articles of Impeachment of Clinton, not an impeachment inquiry.

Then Graham argued that Trump is being denied his rights of due process, failing to mention 47 Republicans and their staffs are in those closed door meetings defending Trump all they want. Graham failed to mention that it is Trump stonewalling the House, not the other way around. He also failed to mention that what the House is doing right now is the investigation stage. To impeach a President, evidence has to be gathered. Graham failed to mention that Ken Starr, as the independent prosecutor, took five years of secret meetings to gather evidence to impeach Clinton. We no longer have an independent prosecutor. Graham didn't mention that, either. The House has to do the investigating.

Then to prove his point that Trump was denied due process, Graham came up with still another poster. Here it is:



Please note the poster says, "All the rights given to Clinton DURING IMPEACHMENT."

Not during the impeachment inquiry, the investigative stage. Trump will have every one of those rights when the Articles of Impeachment are debated and in his Senate trial IF he is impeached.

Trump is going down and he is going to take the Republicans with him. Graham's presentation was childlike in its performance. It as as if he was speaking to the intellectually challenged. Maybe he was.

This presentation along with Republicans storming the secure room in the capitol the previous day shows that they are making complete fools of themselves. Graham bragged he had 41 Republicans, including Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell, who had approved his resolution.

Just the idea that Republicans in the Senate wish to pass a resolution that censures the House of Representatives gives some idea how chaotic the Trump government is.

Senator Graham is not stupid. But he is very afraid. He should be. Americans will have their say about all this, and he may become one of the casualties.

 

You seem to believe (as it is apparent many other Trump critics do) that "if only everything Donald Trump has done was out in the open that there would be a huge uprising of the American people, overwhelmingly in favor of removing him from office" (at least).

Do you seriously believe this? Do you seriously believe that an overwhelming majority (say 60-65%) of the American people from all regions will ever want Trump removed from office?

 

House Judiciary Committee can see redacted materials from Mueller grand jury, judge says
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...materials-from-mueller-grand-jury-judge-says/

The materials must be disclosed by Oct. 30 to the panel, the Friday court order states. The committee sued in July for a release of certain redacted materials and underlying records from the special counsel’s investigation into Russian interference in the 2016 election.
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While this may provide more material on which to base articles of impeachment I think the Dems would be wise to keep the focus on the Ukraine debacle.

 

Besides you, who made that ridiculous statement?

What does your post have to do with the post you are responding to?

Do I believe a statement you created? No, of course not. Here is what I have said about impeachment:

As matters stand now, the 67 votes needed to remove Trump from office simply won't happen.

Indeed, the very opposite is likely to happen. When the Senate exonerates Trump, the sympathy vote could easily propel Trump toward another four years in office.

In terms of the purpose of impeachment, the very opposite result could happen, and it is extremely likely, as matters stand now, that Trump would not be removed from office. http://politicalforum.com/index.php...-that-is-the-question.563381/#post-1071098402

 

These two posted statements of yours seem to suggest otherwise.


Trump is going down and he is going to take the Republicans with him.

Senator Graham is not stupid. But he is very afraid. He should be. Americans will have their say about all this, and he may become one of the casualties.

 

This is what Trump and his lawyer, William Barr, do not want you to know as they, House Republicans, and Senator Graham throw out various diversions to obscure the work in the impeachment inquiry. As Trump continues to say, "no quid pro quo," his own words, the evidence, and his own acting chief of staff say differently.

In his testimony on Tuesday, William B. Taylor Jr., the top American diplomat in Kiev, effectively confirmed that the President withheld military aid from Ukraine in a quid pro quo effort to pressure that country’s leader to incriminate former Vice President Joseph R. Biden Jr. and smear other Democrats.

Government sources in the Ukrainian capital said Washington pressured Zelensky's camp directly about the need to accommodate Trump's desires or no military aid.

After confirming quid pro quo, acting chief of staff Mick Mulvaney said this is how business is done in the Trump administration and "Get over it."

Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense Laura Cooper — who handles Ukraine, Russia and Eastern European policy for the Pentagon — testified that U.S. military assistance was restored on September 11 without any public statement by Zelenskiy about investigations then or since.

On September 10, Trump was informed by his advisors that there was a serious problem regarding his political aims in Ukraine and the withholding of military aid, and Schiff knew about it.

Next week, investigators want to hear from two officials on the national security council: Charles Kupperman, the former deputy national security adviser; and Tim Morrison, a top Russia and Eastern Europe policy specialist.

Is it any wonder why frustrated Republicans in the House stormed the meeting room in the capitol and Graham gave us that infantile presentation, asking for a censure of the House! Republicans are desperate because the White House is avoiding the evidence and only objecting to the process. That objection has no basis in fact or circumstance. They are very concerned about the avoidance of the evidence by the White House, and Trump being the only litigator. Everyone else is silent on the issue, even Trump's counsel.

Fool that he is, Trump even admitted his weakness. "I don't have a team ... I am the team." He never knows when to keep his mouth shut.

https://www.npr.org/2019/10/25/7730...shell-testimony-and-revelations-from-the-east helped with this report.

 

What do think I was talking about? "Americans will have their say." Come on, you're a teacher. You can figure it out.

 

So are you suggesting that President Trump won't win reelection in 2020?