Trump weighs restarting economy despite warnings from U.S. public health officials

Yesterday you are telling nancy to hold the republican feet to the fire and get what the Dems want before passing the bill. A bill that will get money in the hands of those in need. Held up for items not related at all to this issue...

And you have the nerve to post this today?

 

Everybody has the right to change one's opinion.

Day to day, or even hour to hour (as need be).

However, I (personally) fail to see any conflict (whatsoever) in the posts that you referenced.

 

It’s cool to hold up a bill to get money into the hands of Americans in need to try and regulate aircraft fuel efficiency...

But it’s not cool to try and divert a economic earthquake that will devastate those same Americans lives.

Simply and utterly hypocritical to the core.

 

You are certainly entitled to your opinion.

And (just like everyone else at PF) as long as one follows the rules, avoids personal insults, and posts in a civil manner, they have every right to have their opinion heard.

We seem to have reached an impasse (and we have a difference of opinion).

I guess we will just have to (respectfully) agree to disagree.

 

Let's remember that COVID is already impacting healthcare for everyone with a need for surgery, an ICU bed, people with heart attacks, auto accidents, etc. This isn't even limited to those with COVID.

I haven't seen any economist suggest that we should allow our healthcare system to be overrun.

 

Economist will push for getting the economy going over medical concerns while doctors will push for medical concerns over the economy. Trump has to balance both concerns and get the economy going while simultaneously flattening the curve.

 

We seem to agree. Your in favor of putting pet political projects in front of the needs of Americans in a crisis. It’s sick, even more so from a party than hangs their hat on their caring for the working class.

Who cares rather it’s “in the rules” or not? It’s a crap position to take. And one just over flowing with hypocrisy.

November will be the take of what America thinks about all of this.

 

Airlines? They do need help with regulatons on retaining slots, guaranteed loans, etc. I don't see anyone arguing about that.

I DO see a problem with a trillion dollar slush fund without accounting or tracability.

Don't you?

As for deciding to allow our healthcare system to be overwhelmed by a tsunami of dying Americans in some demented "final solution" to save people's bank accounts, I would pray you can see that is demented.

 

just not as a preventative is what they are saying, only use when serious risks not to use - course this is already running low on supply

 

I hope not.

There are lots of things economists could recommend that would cost human lives, but make more money. I don't see economists pushing for that, either.

Maybe you're mistaking financial advisers for economists.

 

Trump is getting really close to throwing Dr. Fauci under the bus.

Fauci is categorically opposed to Trump's Plan (to re-open the economy too soon).

 

We're still seeing exponential growth.

NOBODY who knows how this works believes 2 weeks is going to make a difference that radical.

The situation in two week is going to be far worse than it is today.


Worse yet, Trump's statement downplays the seriousness of this situation, making it LESS likely that people will follow the the recomendations established to fight this pandemic.

Trump needs to be telling the truth, leading the efforts toward isolation and increasing the manufacture of healthcare equipment.

 

It's obvious that the economy must take precedence over people's health.

I don't even understand why there is a debate on this.

As Trump himself says: sick people even go to work to get better.

And if the economy gets even worse, Trump has no chance of being re-elected.

We can't let that happen.

 

The dems had no problem with that when it was their folk spending the money. That said, every serious, non pork, objection they have has been addressed. I figure they are simply delaying until enough senators are absent to stuff all their pork and pandering in a bill and then dare Trump to veto it.

 

Economist obviously have different priorities than doctors. As president Trump has to listen to both and decide an acceptable amount of deaths to not go into a depression which will also cause fatalities.

 

Yes - Fauci has frequently called Trump on his misadventures with the truth.

And, medical experts state that our situation in 2 weeks will be way worse than it is right now.

 

A sick economy does as much or more damage as this Corona virus. We need to get the economy back up and running while also taking precautions to minimize the virus outbreak. We can and will do both.

 

Doctors are myopic while Trump has to function at multiple levels. I’m sure Fauci would like the economy shut down for the foreseeable future and will take issue with Trump when he gets America back to work.

 

No country will be able to defeat the virus other than by a total quarantine of at least 14 days.

China has done it, Canada is doing it, Uk is doing it, France, Spain and Italy as well.

If it's not done in the U.S., there will be hundreds of thousands of deaths.

He has to self-promote in press briefings, send messages on Twitter and do 1-2 hours of tanning bed every day.

 

I don't believe that for a minute.

What we see is a president who thinks the pandemic will be lessening in the very near future.

And, that is NOT coming from the medical community.

We are seeing NO "both sides" behavior here.

 

Agreed, we can. First we need to address the shortage of medical supplies and take measures to get those and more beds. We need to continue to not let visitors in to nursing homes and most hospitals where coronavirus patients are. We need to let anyone who wants to continue to quarantine themselves do so, and people in the rest of the categories can become opening the economy back up while continuing to practice good hygiene and washing hands, etc. It can be done.

 

I think you are not getting the drift here.

In the last briefing reports pointed out that the bill as stood at that time had no provision for accounting for or deciding how the money would be spent. Thus we would have no way of even knowing where the money went.

When asked how that would be handled, Trump said that he would do that personally!!!

Do you believe a president should have a personal slush fund that large with no need to account for how it was spent?

 

The BEST thing that Trump could do for America (during this Time of crisis) would be to stop attending the Task Force briefings.

Leave those to Fauci and the medical experts.

Trump's Rambling IMBECILITY is counter-productive.

 

Of COURSE it can be done.

The issue is what the ramifications would be.

You need to find a medical expert who would suggest that wouldn't be a total healthcare disaster.

Isolation is our only tool. Our rate of new cases is exponential.

The idea of giving up is just ridiculous.

 

Having a plan is a good idea. That plan could include requirements like what the growth rate is, what the state of our hospitals is, etc.

Suggesting that a decision to reduce our fight against COVID in 2 weeks is ridiculous.

In fact, it encourages people to believe calls for reduced contact are less important.