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Using the close parsing of videos as a means to win an argument is usually a sign of invalidity. 9/11 truthers do it all the time.

Me, I look at the history of Rumsfeld's statements on the subject, contemporary news reports, and other, IMO more valid and objective, evidence.

 

Better yet You were spanked by coyotes, jackrabbits and deer

 

Yet you did just fine under Reagan and trickle down. Didn't you VIETVET

 

I don't see any evidence that a post-Industrialized State should have GDP growth rates in excess of 3%.

You all should read The Coming of Post Industrialized Society written in 1976 by Neo-Conservative economic guru Daniel Bell, who correctly predicted the rise of the Service Economy.

 

Ah, I see. So, you have a problem with the language used by the poster. Ok, let's take a closer look at what Jefferson himself had to say about this subject, one that he helped to invent no less. These quotes are attributable to the man himself, no doubt:

Pay very close attention to this stanza:

Pay attention here as well:

We then come to this one:

It would seem that you and Jefferson are not in agreement about the appropriateness of using definitive language in describing what should be done with a "bad government" by We The People, who are supposed to be in complete control of said government and all of its actions.

That's called Academic Brainwashing and you've demonstrated what it looks like very clearly with this statement. It proves that it is you who have taken Jefferson out of proper context. His words as outlined here, clearly say otherwise. He is clearing not talking merely about "small rebellions." He never restricted his meaning to "small rebellions" in any of these quotes and he always refers to "The People" when discussing matters of their will, their consent and their government.

Who taught you that Jefferson somehow limited his rebel talk to just minor skirmishes? Where did you learn such a fallacy?

More Academic Brainwashing. Did you, once upon a time, suffer under a bought and paid for freshman college professor who fraudulently sent you down the primrose path of dutiful tyranny while saluting that same tyrannical entity for having the hubris to think that it was above the law? I suffered under no such brainwashing in college. I was fortunate to have a professor who actually knew American History, and did everything he could to make sure his students likewise understood American History.

(Thank you, Professor West! I am forever indebted to you for enlightening my very young mind and helping me to understand the difference and distinction between being educated and being an educated fool.)

Jefferson, was fearful of government becoming too obtrusive in the lives of We The People. He was thinking about the future. He was thinking about us. Maybe you could do the right thing and think about him in proper context.

 

It strains credulity to think that Jefferson was advocating revolution against his own government, the one he had just set up. Clearly that was not his meaning.

He advocated in a general sense for revolution when necessary. Indeed, this quote is telling:

"Prudence, indeed, will dictate that governments long established, should not be changed for light and transient causes; and, accordingly, all experience [has] shown that mankind are more disposed to suffer while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But, when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same object, evinces a design to reduce [the people] under absolute despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such government, and to provide new guards for their future security."

Revolution is not to be undertaken lightly, but only after a "long train of abuses and usurpations ... reduce the people under absolute despotism."

To claim that is the current state of affairs is laughable.

 

Not knowing anything at all about the subject matter and being completely out of your depth is what Official Storytellers prey upon, in addition to your inability to parse their lies, their deceit and their hands in your back pocket - retaining your status an an Economic Slave to the Globalist World Order. The uneducated make this mistake all the time.

For a full primer education on the fallacy of the Official Storytellers of 911, including statements made by someone on this board having direct experience with flying and operating the Boeing 757-200 allegedly involved in 911, please do your best to keep up with my post on the subject somewhere on this forum. Unless, of course, you are able to enlighten me about our nation's Air Defense Systems (prior to 911), Commercial Aircraft Flight Dynamics, Commercial Aircraft Crash Site Geometry, Commercial Aviation Crash Site Physics, Commercial Aviation Crash Site Investigation, Commercial Aviation Crash Site Chemistry, Flight Performance Envelope of the Boeing 757-200, Flight Data Analysis, Interpretation & Interpolation, FAA Air Traffic Control System Operations, Military Radar Systems, Civilian Radar Systems, Commercial Aircraft EFIS, Commercial Aircraft LRU Design, Piloting Skill Required to Operate a Commercial Aircraft and the complete book of lies known as the 911 Omission Report.

You would be having that discussion with someone well qualified to discuss the matter with advanced education in all the areas stated above. Otherwise, I've been down this road before and I know that it ends with you remaining ignorant about the facts of 911 that must exist in order for the Official Story to be true.

The history of Rumsfeld's statements are clear. He told the world that the Pentagon lost over $2 Trillion taxpayer dollars and he made that statement mere hours before two (2) Boeing 767s slammed into New York, one (1) Boeing 757 allegedly slammed into Arlington and one (1) Boeing 757 allegedly slammed into Shanksville.

Wake Up. It is absolute inexcusable for anyone in America to still walk around completely clueless about what's taking place directly under their nose. No excuse at all. Betty Ong, from American Flight 11, tells you EXACTLY what took place mere hours after Rumsfeld told you that he thought what took place at the Pentagon with respect to the $2.2 Trillion was "Terrifying." Betty Ong, lived through part of that "Terrifying" event and her words help you understand what really took place on that aircraft. Go LISTEN to what she has been saying all these years. She tells you flat out that what the Official Storytellers ultimately concluded was a bald face lie.

 

Wow. Nailed you in one. Thanks for proving my point.

 

Tax cuts for the rich achieve one basic purpose, they make the rich richer. Trump is now going to add reducing corporate income taxes which is going to be an incredible benefit to those who own stock which suprisingly enough also happens to be the rich. Add to that eliminating the death tax which currently only affects the really wealthy and you have the holy trinity of the Republican dream.

Suggest a new Republican slogan " All for me and none for all"

 

Wrapping a conclusion around a false presupposition is just bad form. Of course, Jefferson, was not advocating revolution against the government that he just helped to bring into existence. He could not see the later part of the 20th century in Washington D.C. and around the country. He had no ability to know that the NIE on Iraq's Continued Weapons of Mass Destruction was falsified. He did not know that the 16th Amendment and its ratification would be falsified and misappropriated. And, he could not see the Military Industrial Complex along with its backers, financiers and propagandists having so much backdoor access and pull within the national government. There were many things that Jefferson could not see or foretell about the future. However, he did see the need to speak about what The People, should do when their government turns rogue. Don't think we have a rogue government today? Look no further than the 1913 creation of the Federal Reserve Banking System, its Fractional Banking Methodology and its Money Supply Manipulation to the point of literally bankrupting the country you believe to be the United States of America.

What do you call secretly replacing the organic Constitution with the Constitution FOR THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA? I'm not yelling at you. I'm spelling it exactly as it is. Do you not know the differences between "the united states of America the Republic" and "THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA?" One was the organic Republic. That was the real country you think you live in today. You don't live there and you have not lived in that country for more than 141 years. You live in that other country, the one instantiated on foreign soil in England. The one having its CORPORATE headquarters in Washington D.C., and that has absolutely ZERO legal jurisdiction outside of a 10 square mile perimeter in Washington D.C. that you apparently knew nothing about but have been living under like the remainder of the 324 million Americans do.

Is this not the very definition of Tyranny? Was it not wholesale Treason when Lincoln penned the deal along with the Congress, turning over your Birth Certificate and that of millions of yet unborn Americans to seven (7) Global Banking Families that once again, you apparently knew nothing about? Have you ever tried obtaining your original Birth Certificate lately? I dare you to try - you just might learn something about yourself that you never knew before - that your parents unwittingly participated in the fraud of the millennium. The selling of your Birth Certificate has meaning behind it. The fact that you will never lay eyes on your original Birth Certificate speaks volumes about what has happened to you and our beloved country.

You have no idea what's going on here, do you? You think everything is just as it should be, don't you? Hint: Absolutely nothing is what it appears to be my dear friend. You do not live in the "united states of America the Republic" and what's more is the fact that you never have. You only thought you did. You've been duped, bamboozled, hoodwinked and lead completely astray - all the while worshiping a false Constitution that belongs and applies to the CORPORATION it was formed to serve on foreign soil in the District of Columbia. That's right, the 10 square miles in the District of Columbia where this so-called government resides is Foreign Soil. It does not belong to the Republic and it never has.

It is time for The People to awaken but that cannot happen when you remain hostage to false history, false teaching and false prophets from Foreign Lands who you think are your elected officials doing your bidding. Why do you think we keep having such problems out of Washington D.C.? They are the CORPORATION and WE are their property. That is WHY you work to pay them and that is why they keep true revenues and true spending in the dark - all the while pulling your strings and leading you by the nose.

Go look up the Organic Act of 1871. Read between the lines and take responsibility to educate yourself. The whole damn thing is a sham. A fraud perpetrated against The People. Oh, and your original Birth Certificate? The reason you will never lay eyes on it has everything to do with the fact that it has been sold to the highest bidder. And, who do you think the highest bigger is around the world? Who controls our Money Supply? Who continually keeps us at war with the rest of the world one way or another? Who do we consider our biggest ally in the so-called Middle East?

You are chattel to them. Corporate property to them. A commodity to them. A copper topped battery to them. When your juice runs out, you are replaced with another unit of production whose Birth Certificate will be sold to the highest bidder.

This is why Jefferson speaks to us through prose and this is why Abraham Lincoln was assassinated - not for the reasons you were given in Skule. The country was bankrupt after the civil war and the greenback was still new and near worthless. Earlier, in 1816, the Rothschild House bankrolled the Central Bank of the United States which happens to be the first foreign controlled central bank the country had. It would be almost 100 years later that those same Global Bankers worked their way into American politics to the point of getting Congress to establish their own private banked, the Federal Reserve. Wanting to underpin the greenback currency by tying it to gold would destabilize the private banks monopoly and that's what got Lincoln assassinated and that's what ultimately paved the route to what would become the nation's Central Bank today, ratified in 1913.

Owned by Zionists. Controlled by Zionists. The UNITED STATES OF AMERICA the CORPORATION is not the united states of America the Republic. Most of the founders fought these people from taking control of the country's money. They knew what they had done already in England, when they took control over the Central Bank there and they did not want it to happen to us here at home. Andrew Jackson, knew this and used his veto power to essentially revoke the then Rothschild's controlled Second Bank of the United States. But, they kept on trying because ultimately that's what Zionists do. You may not consider the Rothschild's Zionists at this point in World History but that's neither here nor there. They primarily bankrolled and financed both sides of the Civil War and both sides of the American Revolutionary War. They had a vested interest in our land and our country - and they were hell bent on cashing in. They accomplished that through Woodrow Wilson and the willing Congress, all back-doored by Rothschilds who profiteer from WAR. That is their MO.

War has been one of the Rothschild's biggest money makers since the Napoleonic Wars, when they realized they could manipulate markets for profit. Where there is war, you will most likely find Rothschild's money on both sides to hedge bets and protect profits. They don't give a damn about our political system, your ideological belief system or your little spats about whose the best politician on the Hill. They care about one thing and one thing only, that they profit at your expense. It just so happens that today, your expense is your entire country.

The New World Order was about Globalizing Economic Slavery. So, all this discussion taking place on this forum, while I do understand the frustration that people have, they don't seem to understand the enormity of the problems that We The People truly face in this world. Defeating Global Bankers is not merely a problem facing our country, but it has become a generational epidemic facing the entire World.

I realize that may be a bit much for you to swallow in one post, but it was the truth. The truth about who we are and who we think we are and that both are not the same. Not historically and not contractually.

Nothing is what it seems on the surface. Nothing.

 

Hollow points and Pyrrhic Victories are the dietary supplements of fools taken one a day. When you catch up, let me know. I'll be right here to help you learn and hopefully awaken before it is too late.

 

Maybe: Windfall for me and just a fall for you.

 

You are a loon.

 

Spending is no more "wildly out of control" now than its ever been in modern history.

Sure you can. Increase tax revenue or cut spending or both.

You mean like Clinton's tax code, where we had the best growth since the 1960s?

Or do you mean the 1950s or 1960s tax codes, the two best growth decades post WWII?

What exactly is "pro-growth" about Trump's tax proposal? How is giving m/billionaires and trust fund babies big tax cuts "pro-growth"? We've given them trillions of dollars in tax cuts over the past two decades, and their wealth and income has skyrocketed (unlike for middle class Americans), yet growth has been sub-par.



The m/billionaires and trust fund babies have socked that extra wealth into offshore accounts and the stock market, but that has done little to stimulate growth.

Growth comes from more spending, because spending drives 70% of the economy. Giving massive tax cuts to the m/billionaires and trust fund babies isn't going to have proportionate effect on spending. What we need are laws and rules that will reverse the "trickle down" policies that have redistributed so much of the nation's income and wealth to the richest, and instead, redistribute some of the that money back to working middle class Americans.

This is also the wrong time for massive stimulus. The economy is growth well if not spectacularly, and we are approaching full employment. We needed more stimulus back in 2010 and 2011 when the economy was recovering from the worst recession in 80 years. But with the labor market tightening and middle class wages and incomes finally increasing, we should be focusing on reducing the deficit and debt (proportionate to GDP), not priming the pump. By the time such measures have full effect a year or so from now, the danger will be an overheated economy leading towards recession, and this time with even more debt piled on.

 

So what half do you propose cutting? Elimination of SS and Medicare? Leave the grannies in the street without medical care? Or massive cuts to the military?

Those programs are the drivers.

How is this massive cut to spending going to be ""pro-growth" in your opinion, in an economy that is already constrained by insufficient spending.

 

By cutting the amount of money the government siphons out of the economy, the public will have more to spend. That boosts demand, production, etc. private dollars are more efficient than public dollars in spurring the economy.

Entitlements can be means tested, the eligibility ages can be raised, and (if necessary) it can be cut. SS is a Ponzi scheme, just like what Bernie Madoff did. Initially it was about 15 people supporting one person in retirement. Now it's down to two or three people supporting every person on SS. Eventually, some chump will have no benefits available to him. It needs to be privatized.

 

Either way the only beneficiaries of the Trump plan will be the rich.

 

Of course that didn't work with the Bush tax cuts. But then who cares about facts when making the rich much richer is the real goal.

 

Just cut taxes. Quit trying to be "revenue neutral", that's fantasy. The federal government will never cut spending voluntarily, the feds will never balance the budget, they will and always have spent beyond their means. So take away their means, and deeply cut taxes.

 

Such BS. Companies cut costs by letting people go. Lower taxes allows them to keep more and expand which is every business goal. More working means more tax base and fewer on assistance. It appears you know little about business. Democrats want to punish companies out of jeleousy and misplaced anger. Democrats used to understand economics but now favor false political memes over jobs.

 

Don't care. A reduction of govt revenue all by itself is good for everyone.

 

Why? Trump is going to reduce revenue while increasing spending which is going to vastly increase the defecit. Or to put it simply enough for little minds Trump is going to bankrupt the future to line the pockets of the rich in the present.

This really should not be too hard to comprehend. Cut corporate taxes and the people who benefit are the stockholders who are overwhelmingly the rich. And eliminate the death tax and who benefits- families with wealth that exceeds eleven billion. There is absolutly nothing in the Trump plan that is going to help the average American.

 

The "average American" doesn't pay the majority of taxes in the United States. So why should they benefit?

 

No it is you you know nothing about how business works. More money does not make businesses expand. Businesses expand when demand for what they provide increases. If demand does not increase but profit does the extra either goes to pay the executives or the stockholders or a mixture of both.

The almost unbelievable stupidity of the concept that business works on a push system and if they have more money they will make more goods and somehow people will buy the excess is a concept fed to the uninformed that only serves to justify lining the pockets of the owners of American industry which is the wealthy.

 

But of course the average American does provide the vast majority of the work that makes the country run. It is the classic issue of who should benefit, those that provide the labor or those that provide
the capital.

That of couse has been somewhat decided since the tax rate on capital gains is lower than the tax on income from labor.