Trump's 2nd Senate Impeachment Trial Begins Tuesday

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The Senate on Tuesday begins the historic second impeachment trial of former President Donald Trump a month after a mob of Trump supporters stormed the U.S. Capitol.

The House of Representatives voted on Jan. 13 to impeach Trump for incitement of insurrection with just a week left in his term, charging that he caused the riot that endangered hundreds of lawmakers and left five people dead, including a police officer.
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https://www.npr.org/sections/trump-...s-2nd-senate-impeachment-trial-begins-tuesday

I don't see a general impeachment trial thread, so I'll humbly offer this one up for all your burning impeachment thoughts and questions.

Opening arguments start tomorrow... Link to watch online in the OP URL

Later in the week, I'll be asking for the # of R's voting to convict, so get your crystal balls polished off...

Today's question seems to be a rehash of whether this is constitutional. Is it?

Of course it is...

 

First vote approving the rules agreed to by Chuck and Mitch. Seems they couldn't get a unified consent on that, so they are voting.

Insurrectionist Josh is a Nay..... Mostly Aye's with a handful of Nay's....

EDIT - 89 Ayes, 11 Nays

So 2 handfuls and 1 extra (middle?) finger of Nays..

 

Oh and now Rankin getting all emotional now and waxing and crying about his children.

What they are doing is setting up, on top of the House, impeachment as a political weapon. As I have said in another thread, watch the Republicans take back the Congress and then impeach Biden and Harris not to remove but to insure they can't run for reelection for 2025.

They keep saying he must be held accountable for the crimes he committed. THAT is the role of the JUDICIARY not the Legislative.

 

Waste of time. He will be acquitted. And I hope he turns around and runs for the Senate in 2022, then the Presidency again in 2024, just to watch their heads explode...

 

The Republicans ought to just stand up and ask where Chief Justice Roberts is. When he cannot be produced, they ought to read directly from this document that says, The Chief Justice SHALL reside over the trial. The document is kind of important. It's called the U.S. Constitution.

If he was President with the House impeached him, then he SHALL have the Chief Justice. If he's not there, the Republicans should walk.

 

Professor Turley just ripped them for quoting him from a long ago article he wrote, that it did not reflect what they said that over the next 30 years has become a more textualist an does NOT believe a former President can be put on trial in the Senate as they are now a private citizen.

 

Of course you are right. The Democrats argued they Impeached him in the House while he was still President. (No Witnesses, No Evidence, No Legal Counsel for the President)

If that's the Democrats argument, then why doesn't he get the Chief Justice of the United States to preside as required by the U.S. Constitution? They are horribly inconsistent on the Left.

 

No

 

Covered...

 

I thought the first 3 D managers did a fine job...

Neguse is brilliant. Hate to compare the black guy to the black guy, but he's a better speaker than Obama...
Raskin is solid, although I prefer Schiff as a speaker
Ciccilini is sort of annoying, but made some solid points..

Now we'll see what T**** was able to afford....

 

Yes, if he committed a crime that is the role of the Judiciary, the purpose of impeachment is to remove from office so a President can be prosecuted. The Dems keep saying how can we let this crime go unpunished, THAT is the role of the JUDICARY. Have a criminal investigation and if so determined charge him with a crime and prosecute, if he is found guilty of the felony in the proper forum of a trial then he cannot hold a future high office.

 

But not refuted. The Dems are trying to talk out both sides of the mouths. That he can be impeached because he was President but we don't have to try him as President. Where does the Constitution state this? Where does it state a former President can be tried in the Senate and the Chief Justice shall NOT preside?

The ONLY argument they have presented is this stupid January argument that he can't leave office and not be held accountable. YES he CAN be held accountable as the private citizen he now is in the proper forum and with due process.

 

What was their best argument to proceed then?

 

Also covered... are you even watching today??

 

It's allowed in the Constitution, Precedent, Scholarly Agreement, Common Sense, and it's allowed in the Constitution...

 

Lolwut?
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That Misguided "Talking Point" (about the Role of the Chief Justice) has been shot down (derailed and thoroughly debunked) a thousands times over.

And, it was just shot down (for the Millionth Time) by the House Impeachment Managers.

Anybody who is still trying to bring up that "Chief Justice: crap (at this late date) is doing nothing but displaying an egregious misunderstanding of The Constitution.
Carry on.

 

Funny, I took a second to read your entire thing...

Do you know what the first argument you will make if/when some court decides to try and determine what T**** did on 1/6 was illegal??

I do...

"You cannot charges his actions as POTUS under regular law, only what he's done after office"

Talk about both sides of the mouth...

 

Are you watching this live?? WTF is this guy talking about?

I honestly have no clue... I thought they were debating if this trial can continue??

 

It may be both. The House impeaches. The Senate judges based on the House charges. Those charges may be criminal code crimes or not or both. Insurrection is both a criminal and political crime. However, the maximum penalties which may be imposed via impeachment is removal and prohibition from holding future offices. But, there is nothing that would prevent a Grand Jury from indicting Trump on criminal charges regardless of the present trial's outcome.

 

WHERE in The Constitution does it Explicitly state that:

When a former President is tried in the Senate that the Chief Justice MUST preside?

That entire "role of the Chief Justice" talking point was shot down (Weeks Ago).

You are Clearly WRONG.

Everybody (including the U.S. Senate) Knows that You are Wrong.

You have clearly LOST on this point (based on your egregious misunderstanding of The Constitution).

After, several weeks of seeing yourself Proven Wrong (as to this point) it may be time to move onto something else.
^Nothing Personal, of course, just a friendly suggestion (So you don't continue to repeat DEBUNKED "talking points").
Carry on.

 

Ah... he's getting around to making an irrelevant 1st Amendment argument...

He seems to be forgetting this is not a court of law.... a common failing I see on this site as well....

 

This guy is just rambling on.
He might as well be reading the phone book.
Positive review--This guy is a great cure for insomnia.

(Then again, what would one expect when Trump is scraping the bottom of the barrel)?

 

WAY TMI for your target audience...

 

Can you be more specific. What precedent did they cite for PRESIDENTIAL impeachment. Belknap not even a President is presented as their best case but as Prof. Turley noted almost a majority of Senators cited that it was unconstitutional to begin with and why they were voting for the acquittal that was voted. His defense team just noted they were citing PRE-revolution cases in England but the purpose of the revolution was extricate us from England and their system of government. Spare me "scholarly agreement" and Professor Turley objected to their citing him as Scholarly Agreement. As a former impeachment official and former US Attorney noted this morning on FOX there is a agreement on outcome desired and now all these hopes those who desire to punish Trump the private citizen are jumping through to get there. And the Constitution trumps, excuse the pun, public alleged "common sense". Common sense says he is no longer THE President but a private citizen and it is a matter of the JUDICIAL system now.

 

No... it was all covered by the 3 guys over 2 hours... not going to recap it for you here in 25 seconds...

Hope you have a working DVR...