Trump's staff coordinated with the Russians during the election

Yep, that was ugly. Obama would be the first to admit it.

Of course there are light years of differences between a sitting President mentioning that going into his 2nd term because anyone with an ounce of political sophistication would acknowledge that in today’s climate, if the President calls “heads” on a coin flip, there will be a lot of folks who are pissed that he didn’t call tails.

What Trump did (and I thought you Trump flutters were the ones telling us he was superior to Obama—amazing how you always immediately go to the “well Obama did it too” defense—is it not????) was collude with a foreign enemy prior to any election. I guess time will tell what he promised them in return for hacking his political opponent. If I’m in the freedom caucus, I’m having someone start my car for me in the morning.

 

So did Hillary's, so what????????????

 

And whose job was it to keep anyone and everyone from interfering? The Obama administration. Besides, you've got zero proof. ZERO.

 

Seriously, without Russia's help there are serious doubts Trump would have won. It was a four-month, day in-day out campaign, leading right up to election day. Foolish Trump fawning fans thinks the grueling campaign had no effect on the outcome despite the fact their hero strongly encouraged the Russians.

Being loyal to Trump means burying your head in the sand and avoiding reality.

 

It was a minor point not up for debate on this thread. I will be happy to discuss it with you on the appropriate thread. This thread, as the title implies, concerns Trump's staff and the possibility of its cooperation with Russians to smear Clinton.

You have to admit the two shared a common goal. Trump's staff wanted to beat Clinton. Putin wanted Trump's staff to beat Clinton.

Here is the latest on the Munes caper, Trump's ally in the House, Devin Nunes, chairman of the Intelligence Committee. “Nothing has been canceled,” Nunes said on Tuesday. “Everything is moving forward as is.”

Nunes cancelled an open hearing scheduled for Monday during which fired ass't. A. G. Sally Yates was going to testify. She has first hand knowledge of events leading up to the firing of Mike Flynn, Trump's former NSA. Nunes said he had to learn more facts from FBI Director Comey and NSA Director Rogers in a closed hearing on Tuesday.

Nunes cancelled the Tuesday hearing with Comey and Rogers.

Nunes has cancelled all meetings this week with his committee.

“Nothing has been canceled. Everything is moving forward as is.”

Two questions. One, doesn't that look the least bit suspicious?

Two, if you had been following along, beginning with last Tuesday and his hushed-up visit to the White House to speak with his still unknown informant, does anyone think Nunes is acting alone, no guidance from the White House?

Bonus question, did the leak of all this come from the White House? Makes perfect sense, right.

Betcha, all Trump sycophants will avoid those two questions. They have avoided everything else about the Nunes affair.

We still have no idea what is contained in the documents, thumb drive, and/or computer Nunes has, neither do members of his committee.

This is surreal.

 

I suspect the only proof you would accept is a signed confession from Trump. BTW, the OP is somewhat dated. A lot has been written since I wrote it. Amazing how much Trump fans chose to ignore. There is far more evidence on this thread, much of it just a few posts back. You are ignoring all that, too? I hope you have been following the adventures of Devlin Nunes. Or are you avoiding that, too?

This is getting really weird, like he Nunes is on drugs. No, I am not seriously suggesting that, but I have followed politics for a long time, going as far back as Watergate. I have never seen anything so strange; the chairman of a House investigating committee holding information from his own committee as well as everyone else. I am beginning to think this is all an elaborate, but inherently asinine, ruse to get Trump's staff and their possible connection to the Russians off the front page, and that Nunes has nothing. Perhaps, he hopes this will all be forgotten by the end of spring break which is just around the corner.

Believe it or not, it gets even stranger.

Nunes said on Tuesday he will not divulge – even to other members of his panel – who gave him intelligence reports that indicated President Trump and his associates may have been ensnared in incidental intelligence collection.

Asked by an ABC News reporter whether he would inform the other committee members about who gave him the reports he viewed on the White House grounds last week, Nunes said: “We will never reveal those sources and methods.”

I have just one question. Noting that Nunes is literally keep all of this close to his vest, who is "we?"

Another inadvertent slip? Is "we" members of Trump's staff protecting the President?

And themselves?

 

Only a fool or an idiot would say there is zero proof. The resignations were staged?

 

I will disagree to a point.

Not sure about that at all. Hillary lost places that no Democrat could imagine losing going in. She didn’t campaign in those places. Some on her staff were talking about winning all 50 states at one time… The entire operation seemed to be big on the motions but there didn’t seem to be much intensity involved. Frankly, I think the whoppers of lies that Trump told about his capabilities did much more damage than the leaks.

That being said, colluding with a foreign government to attack your domestic political opponent is disturbing to say the least.

 

What does Obama's forthright comments to a Russian national over four years ago have to do with Trump's staff working with the Russians to undermine our elections?

Your last para is a pathetic defense of Trump. It is based on a false assumption. Some Republicans criticized Obama for the remark, but most Americans regarded it as candid and, essentially, truthful. Most observers would feel the same if Trump had said it. The statement is true.

The fact is, you can't deal with the mounting evidence against Trump or you are simply ignoring it. Attempting to change the subject is a sure sign of weakness.

 

The evidence is all over this thread. I just added some more today. You have not challenged one fact. You have not challenged the sequence of events. You have not challenged the many quotes offered in evidence. You do not reply to the many posts that contain evidence. You say I have fallen for lies, but you fail to mention any lie. More than likely because there aren't any. If you disagree, list one.

All you have done is say, "There is no evidence." That doesn't cut it. All that proves is that you are avoiding reality.

 

Once again, Trump's fawning fans have to ask themselves a question. Interference in our election is a serious matter, a threat to our national security, and the interference has been verified by our 17 intelligence agencies. The President is our Commander-in-Chief and is solely responsible for our national security.

Why hasn't our Commander-in-Chief expressed his concern over the Russian interference in our election?

Check out this Google search.

https://www.google.com/#q=white+house+expresses+regret+over+russian+interference+in+our+election?&*

At first, Trump derided the scrutiny of the hacking as a “witch hunt,” and said that the attacks could have been from anyone—the Russians, the Chinese, or “somebody sitting on their bed that weighs four hundred pounds.” In the end, he grudgingly accepted the finding, but insisted that Russian interference had had “absolutely no effect on the outcome of the election.”

http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2017/03/06/trump-putin-and-the-new-cold-war

In case you are wondering, that is it. Trump has made no other reference to the Russian interference in our election.

Are Trump fans going to ignore this, too? Maybe they will say again, "There is no proof," and proof is staring them right in the face.

 

Evidence of what, exactly?

Trump didn't hide his willingness for the Russians to hack into the Dems' system; he openly stated well before the election that it would be fine with him if they did, or words to that effect, and therefore everyone that voted for him was already aware of that mindset.

You are trying to bark up a tree that was cut down a long time ago.

 

Nothing happened with the elections. Your just pouting.

 

And that's actually the closest to 'collaboration' that we've seen, but as far as we know, no one has actually interviewed the man himself to clarify or to make any clarifying statements on his remarks. It's strange.

 

Uh oh, Russia got their president in America. What are we gonna do. Russia just took over America. No more American people. And I thought I was a conspiracist.

 

Now your just being a hypocrite. What did it take....5 years before Obama quit blaming Bush?

 

We can only assume that those doing business are Democrats. We also know that Marxism, whether American or Russian brand is all tied together. They both work to destroy America and the Republic. These Congressional and Senate hearings are just a sham by Democrats. Why is it they push for Social Marxist achievements while claiming it's conservatives are colluding with Putin's Russia? It's the felon pointing at the police officer as the perpetrator. When has the CPUSA ever backed a Republican?

 

Left on WikiLeaks: “Don’t worry about what it says, worry about how they got the info!!”

Left on Trump/Russia: “Don’t worry about how they got the info, worry about (our crazy interpretation of) what it says!!”

 

I am unclear about exactly what the Russian interference was all about.

Did they covertly fund Mr. Trumps campaign?

Did they falsify the votes?

Or is it just the allegation that they supplied materials to Wikileaks?

And what is this coordination supposed to have accomplished? If they the Russians did supply materials to Wikileaks, what coordination was necessary? What did Trump and the Russians supposed to have talked about?

What specific actions has Mr. Trump taken that has benefited the Russians?

 

You’re right about that. The President himself did it far too often for my taste. But what I”m talking about here is Trump’s supporters. I don’t hear that many (there have been some) rationalizations from the admin it’s self. But you guys on these message boards are certainly quick to abandon any pretense of Trump being something better, different, or even good.

 

Hacking is a crime. There is no difference between electronically entering someone’s property and doing it physically.
Working with people whom you know are hacking your political opponents is knowledge of a crime.
If you’re committed to free and fair elections, you have a duty to report that.
Roger Stone of the Trump Campaign had contact with the hacker (Guccifer) who committed these crimes. He admits it. He knew a crime was about to be committed. He knew on whom it was about to be perpetrated and even tweeted about it.
Do you really want our politics to descend to THAT level…where hacking your opponent is not only accepted but employing a foreign enemy to do it is also fine?

As for the benefit Russia has received…
During the transition, Trump railed against the cost of AF1.
During the transition, Trump railed against the cost of the F35.
During the campaign, Trump pledged to put Americans back to work
During the campaign, I don’t think it is too far out of bounds to state that Trump indicated we withdraw from our international agreements. You saw this with the TPP, NATO, climate change treaties, etc… so far.

Strange that you haven’t heard so much as a peep (there was an EO from Congress) about getting us to go into Space again on our own. Russia currently charges us $75M to take an astronaut up to the ISS. In fact, NASA’s budget was cut in the Trump budget. $75M isn’t much in the US budget; it’s a lot for Russia. It’s also a matter of great pride that we have to stow-away on their crummy capsules.

Further, as I understand it, the costs of operating the ISS are paid mostly by the US though the Russians are most often in “command” of the platform. How does that work?

 

So, anyone with any common sense see's there is an issue here, right?
trump can make this all go away, he can be truthful for once instead of playing his silly childish games,if he cooperates & he is innocent ,we all move on, he however, is acting like he's guilty & trying to cover up--

 

Pretty thin stuff about Stone, which seems to be the only specific accusation you have.

Its been at that level for a long time.

Many people think the F35 is too expensive. Perhaps the budget can be spent more effectively.

In any case, the US has deployed troops in Poland, much to the consternation of the Russians, and has also called for the US to build up its nuclear weapons capability.

Even Clinton called for rejection of the TPP and complaints about US bearing too much of the cost of NATO is a long standing complaint which predates Trump.

I don't see how putting Americans back to work would benefit the Russians, or at least not as much as it would benefit the US.

Not strange to me. I don't think very many people care about the manned space program. I don't.

 

Not sure how you can call it “thin”. The man who is one of the President’s closest advisors had admitted interaction with the person who hacked the DNC during the election. Basically it’s the same tie that Nixon had to the Watergate plumbers except those were people who went into the office, Guccifer just hacked the computes.

Factually incorrect unless you can point to another time when presidential candidates employed hackers from other nations. Feel free to correct me.

That’s just it. He hasn’t put “Americans back to work” on getting to space on our own. He’s happy forking over $75M per trip to an ISS that Russia is commanding but not paying for.