Trump's unintelligible world salad

I never used to watch them but a few years ago I read people posting all this garbage about Fox so I started watching them and saw both sides of an issue presented and discussed by both sides of the aisle so I kept watching. I have watched CNN and MSNBC and never got the full picture.

 

Then work for changing the tax laws don't just rail against the rich for doing everything legal to keep more of their money. You do the same thing they do only to a smaller degree. You do not pay more in taxes than is required so why call them names for doing the same thing better than you can.

 

There's a big difference. Tax loopholes don't exist for the likes of me, and I have no choice but to pay what is demanded of me. Tax breaks exist merely to benefit the rich, and why should they do so at your expense?

 

Then work to have them removed. Don't go around complaining about other people having money and you not. Don't go trying to take their money away from them without changing the tax laws first. They have just as much right to keep their money as we do. How is it at my expense or your expense we do not pay the portion that you think they aren't paying? Maybe we should consider a flat rate with no exemptions then everyone would pay the same percentage in taxes.

 

They have a right to keep whatever they want under existing tax legislation, yes. Is it fair? No.

 

What bugs me as much as Trump's gibberish is his toady apologists. If he was to quote Jabberwocky, Spicer would say it was the Gettysburg Address, Kellyanne would say it was the new New Testament, this forum would gush how his brilliance outshone Winston Churchill.

 

This is what Trump's proposals (including even more breaks for the super-rich, like him and his corporation), will mean for you and your nation: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/apr/26/trump-tax-cuts-proposal-deductions-brackets

 

I didn't really see anything in that article that would affect me or you except maybe a tax reduction. Your complaint about the "super rich" doesn't take into consideration how they got "super rich", somewhere along the line they were just as poor as the rest of us. The "super rich" are just people like the rest of us, they are not some omnipotent being like gods or some mystical beings. Referring to them as some alien entity is just a way to justify others attempts to steal from them. My annual income is only around $24000 but I do not begrudge anyone if their income is in the millions or billions, it just means it is possible I could do that or my kids could.

 

Did you sit quietly on the sidelines while Obama was in office or did you complain every time he woke up and was still president?

 

If you only make 24k a year then you are barely surviving. You have no idea what it's like to make a lot of money. You also likely have no idea how you make a lot of money. Most people like you think big bucks are a function of hard work. That is true for some but for most it is a function of knowing the right people, getting access to favorable deals and being lucky. Being lucky includes being born to the right parents. It is simple for someone with 100 million dollars to make a million bucks a year. That is interest on capital. Ask yourself what you would have to do making 24k a year to earn one million bucks. I can tell you that you would have to be very smart, very lucky or know someone who gave it to you in order to make that first million. Someone with 100 million can make that on interest alone.

 

We did not sit quietly but we did not protest his election and go around rioting and destroying property. We debated his actions on forums like this and worked to try and have him replaced in the election process. We did however accept the fact that he was legally elected and moved on.

 

I missed that the context of your post was complaining about someone destroying property. It seemed more like you were chastising people for posting negative things about Trump.

 

The difference between the two administrations is that the first one championed policies that helped everyone as much as possible led by an incredible intellectual with astounding command of the issues, a calm and rational demeanor and a life long commitment to helping others. In this case, we have a sociopathic moron who wants to destroy the very fabric of American society since the New Deal. The first one might have elicited a response on direction but hardly deserved a riot because American society and governance was not at risk. The second one is so obscene, so irrational and so arrogant that people see their very lives and world at risk. One deserves debate, the other demands protest.

 

NO I was an adult and accepted the elections. May not have cared for the man's policies but one has to respect the office.

 

You've been here since 2013. You weren't bitching during Obama's second term? I don't care, really. I just had eight years of the red team bitching non stop, so now it will be the blue team bitching non stop. Whether it's for 4 or 8 years remains to be seen, but if he keeps on running his yap with his alternative facts, the country will lose interest, quickly.

If your 5,400 posts weren't political against Obama, that's fine. You understand that most political forum junkies who vote red were bitching, though, right?

 

Where have you been for the past 8 years I saw nothing he did to help everyone. All I saw were lies about his health care system and his constant divisive statements which brought about more racial discord.

 

No people here have a right to their opinions just like other have a right to disagree and debate it but to go around protesting and rioting only degrades their side of the debate.

 

They think he is brilliant and a businessman of unparalleled acumen and from their perspective, I guess he is...all things being relative.

 

He isn't a particularly talented businessman, just a particularly unscrupulous one. He did pretty good for a guy who took a hand-out from his family and put it toward mediocre investments that relied mostly on selling his name as a brand rather than actually producing anything of value, all while getting bailed out of his failed enterprises.

 

Give him time before making final judgements on how well he does don't just do it out of your media generated hatred for the man.

 

It is true that a certain portion of the white population felt that any black POTUS talking about race or dealing with racial issues was a threat to their status which is likely the source of your comment about divisive statements. It is also true that this same class of people will not tolerate any person of lower station (minority) get access to subsidized health care. It is also true that this same class of people will never give our first black POTUS credit for bringing back from the brink of a depression, for giving rights to gay people, for cleaning up the environment, for helping woman make more money, for representing us with class and style across the world, for dealing with racism and disrespect at every turn. I know you feel he was a disaster. Unfortunately for you, history will consider him to be one of the greatest Presidents of all time. So you might look in the mirror while you worship Trump because you will own Trump and what he does. You say Obama was the most divisive, take a look at what has happened since the orange grifter took office.

 

Lots of people weren't able to keep their doctors or their insurance plans and many just can't afford the premiums of Obamacare.

Anytime there was a cop who had to kill a black Obama jumped right in and blamed the cop even before the facts came out which in most cases were found to be a legitimate shooting.

There are so many more things I had against the man which is not racist based but it is getting late and I do have a life other than on this forum.