Tulsa cop Betty Jo Shelby found not guilty in death of Terence Crutcher

Please let's not speak of racist.

 

So, if government always does the wrong thing, why are liberals so insistent on using government to solve all of our issues?

 

Only one of us is claiming this had anything to do with race.

 

And homicide does not mean criminal merely it was at the hands of another human being. If I shoot you in self defense as you charge me with a knife that is a homicide but I am not guilty of a crime.

 

"Put your hands behind your head" is a lawful order. So is "stay in your vehicle."

 

Not necessarily but then he should not have been fighting, he should not have told the police that he was not going to be arrested again and that "this ends now". The officer from behind tried to do a shoulder take down. Garner resisted and fought back and as they went down the officers arm slipped up around his neck for 10-15 seconds. Garner then talks and breathes until he is taken off by the ambulance. He was not choked to death by the officer.

 

I am neither of The Left nor of The "Right", Never have I said ONLY Caucasian cops inflict injuries, use "the color of law" as a defensive mechanism to hide behind, nor have I ever said the that "Thugs" (which they are not, John Gotti was a Thug, as was his right-hand man Sammy "The Bull", Al Capone was a Thug, Pretty-Boy Floyd was a thug. Heck real Gangster (Thugs) own cops, judges, lawyers, prosecutors, politicians, construction companies, restaurants, etc. Many of the judges, cops, lawyers and prosecutors are themselves THUGS (Gangsters).The morons that you see mimicking evil behavior, are just IDIOTS and I call them TERRORISTS because they terrorize entire living areas and benefit financially and "politically" from their activities. I make no excuses for evil nor the people who commit evil acts. Yes, the Left has excused the evil behaviors as an inroad for their own brand of terrorist activities among the black people. We all know that the Left are not tolerant, and for that matter, neither are many if not most on the so-called "Right". Both push an agenda that is not based upon Freedom, Justice. Equality and Independence. Both wish to separate those who have intelligence and knowledge of the underpinning of this and other countries. Neither mind that certain people have know of said underpinnings, but to mention such is a NO-NO! Such is the way of those who foster social-tyranny and social-despotism. Coming from my perspective, what is being missed here is something that the Declaration of Independence states and that is, "The Consent of The Governed", this is supposedly one of the main linchpins of Freedom and Liberty, then again, when people are viewed as subjects, what defines consent? What defines governed? What defines Freedom? What defines Liberty? Better yet, who are the ones to define such words?

 

Uh... yes necessarily. It's the judgment of the coroner that he got killed by an other person. And so it's just obvious he fought for his life. A life the cops terminated and got away with as "resisting arrest".

 

He posed no danger. If anybody was fighting in self defense, it would be the victim. He lost the fight, and so his life and the hands of his killer... literally.

 

I know it never has anything to do with race.

 

No not necessarily and teh cororner could not make the deterimination if he was "fighting for his life" he wasn't there. His death ensued after a struggle with another person that is all the coroner could say, that does not mean it was a crime and a homicide on it's face is not a crime it depends on the circumstance. And he WAS resisting arrest did you ever view the video when he directly challenged the police to use force to take him down?

 

Yes he did he challenged the police to use force to take him into custody so they did and he was not killed in the fight, he died later from health consequences cause by he requiring the use of force to arrest him.

 

You mentioned another cop killing a black man. Something along those lines. If you want, we can go back and re-quote.

 

I was being sarcastic. Race definitely plays a role in some of these shootings. Maybe one day that will change.

 

It does in the opinion of racists. In reality, it's criminals not listening to police and getting themselves killed.

 

Yea we have seen alot of criminals shot or end up dead. Like Amadou Diallo, Jordan Edwards and the list of innocent thugs (New term for black males) goes on.

 

Trayvon? Mike Brown?

Only racist bigots believe these people were unjustly shot (obviously Trayvon was killed by a Mexican but the same premise)

 

Trayvon was murdered by a coward and Brown may have contributed to his own demise, but since no one saw how it started who knows.

So you have no comment on Diallo and Edwards. Hard to justify those murders, I understand.

 

No, I don't. Because THOUSANDS of police handlings occur everyday. Peaceful arrests, guns drawn, suspect in custody. You can only list a handful out of those thousands, and that handful rarely happens. Something like .000008% of every police encounters ends in a black guy getting killed mistakenly when they weren't in the wrong. You can list the times it has happened in the past 10 years, and then I'll list the number of peaceful encounters from the FBI UCR and we can get the exact fraction.

 

One life lost unjustly is one 2 many and it doesn't matter what color they are.

 

Yea yea yea, sunshine and unicorns. We get it.

Military, LEOs, government agencies, Geico, the NBA, gas stations, Ralph Lauren...

All jobs. These jobs unfortunately might have bad people. LEOs get polyd before hire, so that weeds out a major portion of bad apples. a few (rare few out of the 700,000 active full time and 1.7 million reserve cops) might slip through.

Just like an intelligence analyst who gets both a Lifestyle and Counter Intel poly (many times) still was able to give information to Wikileaks.

But yes, I do agree with you that one life lost due to an unjustly cause is one too many.

 

How is it criminal to not listen to another person? The spirit of Freedom and Liberty is surely dead in this country. The spirit of Freedom and Liberty died and gave way to tyranny. As it is recorded that Benjamin Franklin said to a doctor during his time, in regard to the type of government he and the others formulated. “Well, Doctor, what have we got, a republic or a monarchy?” With no hesitation whatsoever, Franklin responded, “A republic, if you can keep it.” Dire distress is what we all are experiencing now, The Castle has definitely fallen. We live in a Republic, knowing this, we have, as it is stated in the Declaration of Independence, unalienable rights. One of those right is to be secure in our persons and our effects. Giving police unlimited "authority" is giving away all of your rights, privileges, and freedoms. My ancestors have fought too hard and too long for me to surrender to another form of slavery.

 

Yea Ice Cream Sandwiches and Lollipops I get that also.

Right but NBA players aren't killing fans who boo them. The gas station attendant isn't killing folks for going to the gas station across the street.

Really, you got anything to back that up.

Ok.

 

The coroner said it was a homicide by the hands of an other person.
period.

And it is obvious he was fighting for his life. Cause he lost his life when he lost the fight.

 

The hell it is. The coroner said it was a homicide at the hands of others. That does mean he was killed due to the fight. Deal with it.