Turkey abruptly stopped the ferry communication with the Crimea – media

When a war does happen, and it will considering the way Erdogan keeps arousing his followers, Turkey will cease to exist. He is a megalomaniac, erratic and very dangerous with a messianic vision of himself as being chosen by Allah to expand Islam.. Saudi Arabia accepts his vision as well... thus the migrant invasion into Europe. .

Erdogan did say that Turkey's borders extend from Thessaloniki to Mosul... which would include, Aleppo, Kirkuq and other parts of Iraq and Syria... as well as Thrace, Cyprus, and the Greek islands of Rhodes, Lesvos, Chios, Mykonos, Santorini, Samos and dozens of others.

He's not going to remove his troops from either Iraq or Syria. Turkey never does. They are now considered Turkish lands.

 

Absurd to claim Tatars prefer Russian to Ukranian government. Tatars in Crimea are a transplanted population, their origins are elsewhere and their cultural differences repressed, persecuted, the target of genocide under the Soviets. Under Ukraine they may be discriminated (I really don't know) but they didn't have to endure anything like they experienced under Stalin.

I don't know about the current setup in Crimea under Russian control, I've seen some notes suggesting there is friction, that Tatar traditional celebrations and cultural expressions are repressed more.

Tatars are Muslims, so are Turks, this is an affinity that would foster commerce. Russians are Orthodox and have fought harshly against Muslims in Chechnya, I doubt this fosters tolerance and accomodation of Tatars.

This recent development with ferry shutdown could be a domestic Turkish issue over possible islamists moving to and from Central Asia. Russia regularly sends hit squads to erradicate Chechen insurgents in Istambul and many daesh foreign fighters come from ex-Soviet stans through Turkey. It could also be Erdogan trying to curry favor with Trump abiding by the stipulated embargo against Crimea (though lefties in the US think this is not Trump's deal with Russia).

 

- soviet politician of georgian descend that been de facto head of state during period of 1922-1953, individual marked responsible for various acts of repression on territory of Union, towards various parts of the population, in that period of time. Incapable to making tatar population of Crimean Republic endure anything like repressions of his time due to being dead for past sixsty four years.

So what is the problem?

My apologies for harsh reaction. Well, I guess I should point a few moments, then:

There is a decree, signed by Supreme Rada (parlament) of Ukraine in 2014:
http://zakon1.rada.gov.ua/laws/show/1140-vii

Date being - '20 березня 2014 року' - 20 of March 2014.

Date of Crimean referendum, that proclaimed Crimea an autonomus republic whithin Russian Federation - 16 of March 2014.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crimean_status_referendum,_2014

Mejlis has been created in 1991, and has not been recognized by government of Ukraine until four days after Crimean Referendum. Evidently, that recognition gave legal base for actions of Mejlis against authorities of Russian Federation. Before that, evidently from the article 1 of the Rada decree - 'Україна гарантує збереження та розвиток етнічної, культурної, мовної та релігійної самобутності кримськотатарського народу як корінного народу та всіх національних меншин України.' - that guarantees safety and evolution of ethnic, cultural, linguistic and religious independence of crimean tatars, as native population, and all (other) national minorities of Ukraine - that these guarantees likely have not been presented in the state laws.

While RF has been recognising it's minorities since it's very formation, being a federation and multinational, multireligious state.

I do not insist on you accepting my point of view, but personally I find actions of ukrainian Rada being an attempt to use ethnicity, that struggled for recognition in Ukraine, to serve as anarchic thugs for interests of Ukraine's government on territory of Crimean republic.

 

the things is that Crimean Tatars are educated people , and loyal citizens of their country , so they will fight as long as Crimea under Muscovite occupation

 

"georgian descend that been de facto head of state during period of 1922-1953, individual marked responsible" before you guys said that it was Beria, Trotsky, new you blame Srakin - Koba for everything , whats about your nomenclature? whats about your Top- figures, Zhukov, Molotov , etc. dont they responsible for death of millions?

 

a Crimean girl sings about Muscovite - soviet genocide of Crimean Tatars , English subtitles

 

First of all - there will be no war. No matter how far mey go Turkey government and mr. Erdogan, there will be no war between Turkey and RF - sooner he will provoke Turkey to be excluded from NATO and get sanctioned.

Second - I heard lots of things about Erdogan, but never heard about him stating that borders of Turkey go from Thessaloniki to Mosul, or calling himself some sort of islamic messiah. So I would love to see the examples of these statements of his, if you may.

 

Our nomenclature, also *Stalin - if you go further with screwing names up people will stop understanding you completely, citizens of Russian Federation, in their majority, unlike somebody, are capable of recognizing the ugly sides of Soviet Union's history and not acting hysterical over that - for it is a history, from which we learn valuable lessons, such as what not to do, and how not to act - while you try - first of all - put the SOLE responsibility of famine, repressive acts, WWII and Cold War on a few specific individuals, or on a specific nation - while you, my dear, should remember enormous bureaucratic apparat - the Nomenclature you mentioned - being formed from administrators of all soviet republics, INCLUDING your beloved Ukraine, and that people responsible for collectivisation in Ukraine, for supervision of supplies and infrastructure there, mainly been locals - people who lived there - your beloved soviet citizens of ukrainian descend.

Swallow it already and live on - past is in the past, while there are modern, current troubles present - such as coal supply blockade made by pro-ukrainian terrorists. People, who blocked the supply of coal to Ukraine and threaten people with firearms, that they pretty much eager use - and use from time to time - forcing citizens of Ukraine endure the power shortages, violating the latest Minsk agreements, and directly harming the state of Ukraine. So how about you start bothering with people ruining your life right now and, for example, try using your grandious rhetorics to persuade them to get the blockade off? Or you do not recognise them being criminals for violating ukrainian laws, international agreements and subjugating Ukraine to shortages of electricity?

 

http://kremlin.ru/acts/bank/38356

21 апреля 2014 года - 24 of April 2014.

http://zakon2.rada.gov.ua/laws/show/792-19

12 листопада 2015 року - 12 of November 2015.

http://www.alexanderyakovlev.org/fond/issues-doc/67942

14.11.1989 - 14 of November 1989.

So do not think this is such a unique discovery - these crimes been recognized as crimes long before you raised that topic here.

 

You're wrong, because Mustafa is not the leader of the Tatars in Crimea and anywhere else. He is only the head of a small militant and no doubt criminal faction supported by Turkey for its own self interests. I'm sure Ukraine and the globalists are using him as well for their own self serving purposes.

This is the beautiful and third largest city of Kazan in the Russian Republic of Tatastan. Notice how people of different faiths and even cultures can prosper and live together under a humane government which doesn't try to impose its own standards on others. This is how the Syrians lived under Assad before Soros, the CIA and their NGO's destroyed them for their own nefarious and war mongering agenda.

 

Try not to use "Nazis", I know you sympathize, but that's your affair. What they possibly gain is one less muscovite terrorist to deal with, as one knows Donetsk and Lugansk general population doesn't want anything to do with "Girkin terrorists", so these measures must be implemented. I doubt Donetsk has moved any closer to russia than what it was, it's the russian terrorists GRU, that wants it closer, check my new thread and read about Russian " citizen" GRU terrorist and you'll see what I mean. Kyiv is only protecting its sovereign territory you understand, seems you have a problem with that...all russian trolls do.

 

Blah-blah-blah-blah. So far ukrainian government not even subjugated criminals blockading coal supply to country.

 

I find it strange that they're bringing up crimes committed by the Soviet world order, when Soros' and the CIA are fomenting even worse crimes today for their own world order. The only difference is that the Soviet one was under the government elites, and Soros' will be under the corporate elites. In both cases, the lives of the masses will be akin to slavery.

 

I say Nazis because there are two evil factions in Ukraine, one is the oligarch mafia like Kolomoisky, Poroshenko and others, and the other is the nationalist militia whose concepts and beliefs fall into the category which we consider 'Nazism'. It doesn't mean extreme nationalism and a belief in ethnic and cultural supremacy is not universal, but it's not a part of the governments in other countries.

When the pro Russian protesters were burned and hacked in Odessa by the Nazis... (what else can you call them), something which is attributed to Kolomoisky and Avakof, the people in Donetsk and Lugansk panicked and held referendums. They wanted to vote for independence and to become part of Russia like Crimea, but Yanukovich appeared in a television broadcast and told them not to, but to vote to federate instead.

Russia had told Poroshenko it was the only way to keep a country with different people and cultures together. ..but instead of being reasonable, Poroshenko said we do not take suggestions from Russia. So instead of talking to the people after the vote, he began bombing and killing them.

Now I'm going to ask you something,. Do you believe that if the situation was reversed and instead of the people in Lviv and Kiev killing the Russian speakers in Donbas, it was the Russian speakers killing the people in Lviv that they would want to remain in Ukraine? For heaven's sake Galatia was ready to split from Ukraine had Nuland and Pyatt not stopped them so they could grab Crimea and build a Nato base.

 

zhanna, Mustafa is the worldwide recolonized leader of Crimean Tatar nation, and does not matter what Kislev_ Goebbels propaganda write about him, he is a very respectful figure, and Crimean Tatars are 100% loyal f him

 

What Erdogan and his underlings say is not usually reported by newspapers other than those it affects such as Greece. It was in Greek pronews... as was his planned invasion of the Greek islands two weeks ago and consequently stopped by Washington. ..according to the ambassador. He also planned on taking a small island off Oenousis on Easter day, but Athens got a whiff of it and fortified it.

As for having a messianic view of himself, I don't recall where I read that a Saudi cleric accepted that he was the 'chosen' one that would advance Islam. This would be considered messianic as is Soros, who said once that he had this over powering feeling when he was young that he had to suppress, or people would think he was crazy. So we have two chosen ones now trying to form the world in their own image.

To understand the problems between Greece and Turkey, you have to take a look at the Greek and Cypriot territorial waters. If you notice Greece together with Cyprus completely cuts off Turkey. Besides that, by joining their territorial waters, the gas is able to pass from Israel, Egypt and Cyprus directly to Greece. All this is dependent on the small Greek island of Kastelorizo which Turkey refuses to accept as being Greek. As a matter of fact one of his underlings said that 18 islands that Greeks inhabit belong to Turkey.

Anyway things are heating up in the Aegean and around Cyprus because Egypt, Israel, and Italy are tired of waiting and want the problems with the demarcation lines to be solved

 

Lol..if situation was reversed the russian terrorists would have been ...FAR WORSE, than what's going on in the LDPR, you can bet on that, with the likes of tabachnyk, Zhirinovsky, dugin, etc, and those in the LDPR, make no mistake, those are rabid Muscovites who cannot acculturate, pure Stalinists with no consideration for themselves let alone someone else, the only language they understand is a gun barrel. Make no mistake, no such thing as asking for "independence", that's just some buzzword for seeking assistance from Russia on an all out assault on the entire Ukraine at some point, probably Belarus included, or where ever there's "russian speakers", or any other bullcrap!

 

You heard of projection, because that's what you're doing.

 

No..it's being pragmatic.