Turkey should stay in NATO or should be kicked out ?

The only worrisome thing, Baff, is that people with your, uh, perspicacity are entitled to vote. Can the Second Dark Ages be far away...?

 

Yes according to your theory. Every country may have nukes but Iran should not. Because You think that You are the God.

Saudi Arabia is 5 times dangerous than Iran, it is the home of terrorists but you become ally with them. What a contradiction!

Israel has nukes and they are fair threat for Jordan and Syria so why they have nukes?
Netanyahu thinks that's there are humans in this earth and there are Israelis on this earth. This is the logic of them humans are humans Israelis are Israelis and Israelis are superior from rest of human beings since the God created them superior. This the Simple Isreali mind and core of their politics.. and life of non-israeli people is not important in region in the sake of Israel to rise. They are insane as well as Iranians.

Your double standards, go to play in mug!

US should stop being of slave of Israel, both Israel and Iran evil here but should not have nuke, not only Iran

 

I usually agree with you on things, but we have a very strategic air base in Turkey which we would probably lose if we kicked them out. We would also lose whatever influence we can exert on the Turks which I don't think is a good idea. And finally, I doubt whether the U.S. would allow itself to get dragged into some dumb war by the Turks, at least not with Trump as president.

 

what a weird post...
you expect to be congratulated for not exterminating Kurds???
should we congratulate Germany too for not exterminating 4 million Turks in Germany?

 

Turkenraus.

 

Do I have to reply on this paranoid post?

But I should say our war continues with PKK not with the Kurds. And Germans themselves invited our citizens to work in their country. And the worst people (uneducated, low IQ etc ) immigrated there. If I was a German, I would be mad with them. So I really understand the feelings is right wing Germans.

Every summer they visit Turkey and we don't want them here either. Germany can do anything with them

 

22% of Turks get down and grovel to Mecca five times a day (generally old generation)
12% do not care about any religion
4% never prayed to God
32% never visit mosque.
60% never read Quran
1% are in Tengrism belief - including me

At general, we don't have religious society. We don't like Arabs. We are not feathers of same **** bird.
http://www.hurriyet.com.tr/yazarlar/ertugrul-ozkok/hani-nerede-o-cami-cemaati-40500079

Turkish state automatically writes Islam on ID card, nobody chooses Islam by ownself that's why 99% seems to be muslim.

 

I am very glad to see the posts of a person who actually lives in Turkey. Your viewpoint will be very instructive and valuable to many different discussions here, including this thread.

First, when I said that Turkey and Iran would be "birds of a feather", I spoke pointedly about the attitudes of both Turkey and Iran concerning the Kurdish people, and the postures of Turkey and Iran (and Shi'a Iraq) regarding them specifically.

The antipathy between Turkey and most "Arabs" is well-known, and centuries-old in nature, and yes, you are correct -- neither Turkey nor Iran are "Arab", per se.

Turkey has been a powerful and very valuable ally to both NATO, and, separately, to the United States. Ever since the end of World War II, Turkey has played a very vital role in limiting the influence of, first, the Soviet Union, and later, to militant Islam in Iran. It created a moderating influence in the Middle East -- Turkey has been the largely silent, robust power that always had the potential to 'lessen' the danger of a really catastrophic war between the Arabs and Israel.

The Turkish military was, and may still be, the most powerful and enduringly effective in the entire Middle East, and could be rivaled only by that of Israel (but only on a short-term basis). Until Iran is able to deploy ICBM-mounted thermonuclear weapons (probably in about five years from now), Turkey could probably defeat Iran in a conventional military conflict.

The dominant force, of course, is Russia, and no country knows this better than Turkey. To your north, Russia 'owns' the Black Sea. To your south, Russia 'owns' Syria. Russia aids and assists Iran -- not too much and not too often, but enough to have a very heavy influence over Tehran. Turkey itself has a great deal of economic interaction with Russia, and although there's been friction between your two countries over Syria, Turkey has tried to walk a difficult path of diplomacy between both Russia and NATO.

I certainly support Turkish membership in NATO, for the time-being. It is helpful to the United States that you remain in NATO (and allow the U. S. to keep our own bases in your country). It is helpful to even the most irresponsible, witless Western Europeans, who do not appreciate the role that Turkey plays in mitigating the flow of wandering hordes of 'migrants' all over Eastern and Western Europe. And you continue your country's role in the delicate balancing-act of keeping all-out, horrific warfare from erupting in the Middle East. I wish the best for you in Turkey.

Suggestion: Provide a small piece of land in your south and east as a truly autonomous 'Kurdistan Province' of Turkey, and let the Kurds live their own, insular lives. You would be AMAZED at how much better Turkey would be regarded and treated if your country would do that one thing.

 

About 10 million Azerbaijanis (Shii'te Turks) live in Iran, Tabriz is their capital
They would take side with us in a conventional military conflict. We have ethnic power on Iran and this is a big advantage.

Also Iran and Russia supply our energy, we have to follow balance policy. Thus and so That's why we cannot stop our relations with when Americans says us to stop trade with them. But Trump Administration has no ability to see this situation. This is fair.

Thank you.

Turkish Kurds have already stop wanting Kurdistan in our southeast. They want Istanbul, İzmir too. I am pro full separation of Turks and Kurds while they don't. If I was a Kurd, I would never give up my advantage to live in Western Part of Turkey.

Kurds have make more than 5 kid at avarage, some have 12 - 15 kids in east
while Turks make 1 or 2 kids. They will be majority around the year 2060s. So every smart Kurd wants to get the inside track
We are endangared, Turkey will turn to be Kurdistan soon, this is our fate about 200 years later we will be remained in history books.

 

how is that paranoid? why do feel a need to point out turkey hasn't exterminated Kurds in istanbul? that's bizarre,

germany's turkish immigrants quality, the poor and uneducated have always been the core of immigration anywhere, the middleclass/educated usually have no need to leave their homes, it's the bottom strata of society that immigrates to look for a better life...

 

I think Russia has high hopes in regards to getting Turkey out of NATO and further eroding our relationship, and that these hopes may finally bear fruition under this US so-called president since he is forcing the situation to a head with seemingly little regard. I'm sure the Russians also have a watchful eye on Europe as they play around with Turkey, as they would like to see Europe make similar moves, and Trump has likewise been alienating them like a good little Moscow Agent Governing America.

 

You quoted the wrong person. That was not my theory.

 

Trump isn't going to be President forever. The previous administration did allow ourselves to get dragged into a dumb war in Libya that's had horrific results.

 

Voted No!


Turkey should not be in NATO or any alliance.

Turkey should be for Turkey and represent itself as a crossroads nation.

The bridge between Europe, Asia, The Middle East, Iran, and maybe China too.

Think Switzerland!

Joining any alliance is not in Turkey's best interest.


Similarly Turkey should have never deployed against Assad.
Just be for Turkey and invite anyone who wants to trade, to trade.


Moi
Return to Ataturkism

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It is easy to say...

Greeks want to take Izmir to Ankara; Armenians want whole East (while Kurds want,so they will be the meat in the sandwich) These jackals are always ready attack us. So If we choose to be crossroad nation wolves and birds would eat us, so we would be wasted

Turkey is stillruled with Ataturk's ideology it is protected by constitution.

 

What does that mean?

 

Libya was doomed from the time Gaddafi threw out the constitution.

 

Saudi Arabia isn't dangerous at all.. Does it help to denigrate other countries?

 

I do not agree.
Possibly, although I doubt it, we possibly are not communicating about "crossroads nation".
It is not meant as a doormat to be stepped on.

Rather non alignment and of value to many is a guarantee to Turkey's borders.
Similar to Switzerland. As if China, Iran, Russia did not approve of Western support for this or that Western supported ethnic uprising.
Consider Neutral India got more aid than "one of us" Pakistan.

I forgot to include Russia as one of the crossroads participants.


And invoke Enver Pasha,

Pan Turkism and the Central Asian trade efforts with China and India and
anyone else along the way.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enver_Pasha#Pan-Turkism_and_death,_1921–22
Turkey should choose to be part of that with the last stop of the Silk Road now Highway being Istanbul. And Europe will be lap dogs rather than demanding NATO Big Brothers.

Turkey joining NATO is a mistake for Turkey!
Any business advantage will occur regardless.
More advantages if they are NATO Free!
More to woo them

 

Qatar is their main target...

 

Who's target?

 

Actually I support an economic union with Central Asia Turkic Republics, Russia and China.. like the European Union
I respect Enver Pasha

 

King Salman wants to control over Qatar. Just like, they want to control Yemen and the United Arab Emirates

Saudis follow expansionist politics and Qatar is ally with Russia and Turkey. They have bought S-400 missile air defence systems to protect themselves. Saudis are very big threat for the stability of region.

 

No he doesn't want control of Qatar or Yemen. Qatar routinely hosts AQ, Taliban, Muslim Brotherhood and other jihadi groups.. and Qatar is aligned with Iran. They share the South Pars gasfield.

 

Muslim Brotherhood is not jihadi group, it is just a political movement.

Saudia Arabia is the birth place of AQ,Taliban and other jihadi groups. How can blame them before looking at mirror. We don't believe that they host AQ or Taliban.