Turkish Navy Chased Israeli Research Ship Out Of Cypriot Waters

Britain made the mess - as usual, so it wouldn't have to hand over Cyprus to Greece.

"...with the occupation of the island by the British Empire from the Ottoman Empire in 1878 and subsequent annexation in 1925, the "Cyprus dispute" was identified as the conflict between the people of Cyprus and the British Crown regarding the Cypriots' demand for self-determination. The British administration shifted the dispute from a colonial dispute to an ethnic dispute between the Turkish and Greek islanders..."
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The London Zurich agreements of 1959 happened after the British aroused the Turkish minority to object and it solved nothing since the Turks were a small minority and the island according to the original Treaty of Lausanne belonged to Greece.

The Turks invaded, the Turks massacred thousands, and the Turkish tanks are there illegally. Anyway everything will be solved after the next world war, if we're still alive.

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As I noted before. None of the crap before matter. What matters is the treaty of the UK, Greece and Turkey.

The Turks were allowed to intervene since the Greek and the Greek Cypriots tried to make Cyprus a part of Greece.
Greece agreed that the Turks have that right of intervention. Stop whining already.
You're not even contesting this. lol

 

There is no nation in the world that recognizes Turkey's invasion and occupation of northern Cyprus, so where do you get off saying that Greece accepted it? The only reason that they didn't go to war with Turkey to prevent the invasion, was because Kissinger told the Greek government that he would stop the supply of parts for Greece's military.

Kissinger also said Turkey's army would leave, but they are still there ready to ethnically cleanse and occupy the whole island - because this is how Turkey works. The belief that the Ottomans became an Empire through its military is a fallacy. Their growth came from their lies, deception and hypocrisy.

The Ottoman Empire is the original 'evil' empire, since they took over the most highly educated people in the world, as well as the libraries in Constantinople, and yet learned nothing. While the Crusaders and Italian colonists of the Greek world brought on the Renaissance.

Instead the Ottomans used Western material accomplishments for their own conquests and subjection of people to them - something the Ottomans could do freely since they lacked all moral constraints.

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I lie and cheat to get my way
for it's a game we like to play
towards infidels like you.

Now don't get mad and be alarmed
for we don't really mean to harm.
It's just that you have got to know,
Islam's the only way to go - Jeannette​

Disclaimer - No insult intended towards individual Muslims and Turks who I am very fond of, and whose humanity and tolerance makes a mockery of many of our so called 'secular humanists' and 'Christians'.

 

I dunno what you're talking about. Everybody recognizes that Turkey invaded Cyprus. Nobody recognizes that Northern Cyprus is something independent. Than again, no country recognizes them settlements of Israel at the UN.

What a load of bull. The Greeks and Greek Cypriots were ethnically cleansing Cyprus. Only some nazi of a Greek/Greek Cypriot would deny this.

That doesn't play any part of this. This is just framing Muslims as evil. There was nothing wrong with that empire. The Brits had their empire at that time. And FYI the Ottoman Empire had black people employed as pilots, and Jews running in high places in the government. It was light years ahead of Germany and the US.​

 

Yeah, the Ottoman Empire was years ahead of Germany in genocides - that's for sure. What Black people were employed as pilots? It's doubtful they had any planes in WWI, unless the Germans gave them some damaged ones and they sent up their eunichs to die instead of their own men.

It's what they did when they sent Kurdish pilots with a jet that had navigational problems into Syrian air space, so it could be shot down. That way they could get Nato involved - but Nato didn't. The Turkish paper Hurriyet mentioned that the parents of the Kurd pilots brought the case up in court, but then it was hushed up.

Anyway I mentioned eunichs because there are no blacks or mulattos in Turkey. Slavery in the Ottoman Empire was alive and well before Attaturk, and whatever babies were born of black slaves were killed.


Disclaimer: I'm not talking about the Turkish people as individuals, but rather of their governments - past and present.

 

Not me - This has nothing to do with Muslims, since the Arab culture is different from the Turkish one. As for Jews running the Ottoman Empire, it wasn't only Jews, it was also Armenians and Greeks. My mother was born in the Ottoman Empire, and she said they had a saying that one Armenian in business was worth two Greeks, and one Greek was worth two Jews.

Part of the Turkish policy was to have others run their Empire. Maybe they thought as conquerors they were above menial work the same way that the nobility in Europe thought trade was below them.. This turned out to be detrimental to the Turks and Arabs in general, since the only Muslims that knew how to conduct business were the Palestinians. It's also the reason that Syria is being run by the Alawites which are very close to Christians, and not by other Muslims.

 

Yeah well. They had planes. As for genocides... The UK and the US are no stranger to that.

And it all has nothing to do with Cyprus.

 

The Ottoman empire is the Turkish empire. Same people, so same culture, same religion. They only dropped the Arab language.

 

The Turks are not Arabs and never spoke Arabic. They originated from Mongolia and the area around it, and are closely related to the Mongolians, Tatars, Huns and Khazars. The people in the lands the Turks conquered either retained their religion, or converted to Islam. In places where the Slavs and others converted to Islam like Bosnia or Albania, they became culturally Turkish and Erdogan considers them Turks.

There are Turkish people in China called the Uighurs, and Turks also tend to dominate in the Central Asian state. In Anatolia which is now called Turkey, they have very little Turkish blood since they forced the Greek/Roman population to convert. So many of them look like my relatives - and for good reason, since the girls were taken as slaves during the massacre.

Anyway it's a pity because Western Turkey and Greece should be one country, but not the kind of country that Erdogan or the Turkish leaders would want it to be.

 

Please stop with this stupid attempt to rewrite history. Freaking Atatürk himself, the founder of Turkey, served at the Ministry of War of the Ottoman empire and fought for the Ottoman empire all over that country. The Turks are the Ottomans. It's not as if them Ottomans suddenly evaporated.

 

The UK and US did not commit genocide, since the original people are still there. This doesn't mean they didn't have wars, but there is a difference. Today there are no Christians in Anatolia, yet it was the Holy Roman Empire for over 1,000 years. So where are they?

It is believed though that there are at least 15 million 'crypto Christians' in Turkey. When the Bible was translated into Turkish about 10 years ago, they sold about 8 million copies. Since a family needs only one Bible, that means it comes to at least 15 million Christians. Pretty good, since it's been almost 100 years since they went underground.

Who said the Ottoman Turks evaporated? I think you have a reading comprehension problem. What I said is that the culturally Turkic population extends from China to the Balkans, but not all of them are genetically Turks - and especially in Anatolia and the Balkans.

 

For the luls...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abolition_of_the_Caliphate
The Ottoman Caliphate, the world's last widely recognized caliphate, was abolished on 3 March 1924 by decree of the Grand National Assembly of Turkey as one of the reforms following the replacement of the Ottoman Empire with the Republic of Turkey

 

Oh? So since there are still Jews in Germany means the holocaust is a fake news? lol
The US massacred the indigenous women and children, just like the men for no reason on plenty of occasions ... that's genocide, champ. And not your fake definition.

You claimed ... "The Turks are not Arabs and never spoke Arabic.".
And I proved you wrong. And now you flip flopped to "Ottoman Turks" lol.

An Ottoman Turk, commanding an army of the Ottoman empire ... but is not able to speak Arabic. Safe to assume you're just making it all up.

 

Oh then the American colonists were wrong when they said the native Americans didn't have an immunity to measles and couldn't survive, but the half breeds did. It's was a very contagious disease, and people died, this is why people with measles were quarantined.

There were a lot of diseases, but I don't know if any of them were as dangerous to the natives as measles. This doesn't mean that Europeans didn't die. My father had 9 siblings, and only half survived.

Turkish and Arabic are two totally different languages, which means they are totally different cultures except for their Muslim faith. This is from Wikipedea

Turkish language:

Turkish is a member of the Oghuz group of languages, a subgroup of the Turkic language family. There is a high degree of mutual intelligibility between Turkish and the other Oghuz Turkic languages, including Azerbaijani, Turkmen, Qashqai, Gagauz, and Balkan Gagauz Turkish

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Arab language:

Arabic is a Semitic language that first emerged in the 1st to 4th centuries CE. It is now the lingua franca of the Arab world. It is named after the Arabs, a term initially used to describe peoples living in the area bounded by Mesopotamia in the east and the Anti-Lebanon mountains in the west, in Northwestern Arabia and in the Sinai Peninsula.​

 

Last time I checked, the US army committed all kinds of massacres on the civilian Indian population... and also made them march to their deaths, just like what happened to the Armenians.

It's also from Wikipedia that Ataturk governed Turkey, while he previously commanded the armies of the Ottoman empire. He obviously spoke both languages, and had 1 culture.

For the luls
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkey#Republic_of_Turkey
Ankara-based Turkish regime, which had declared itself the legitimate government of the country on 23 April 1920, started to formalise the legal transition from the old Ottoman into the new Republican political system.

The change of turning the Ottoman empire into the Republic of Turkey was simply a legal transition.
The Ottomans didn't suddenly vanish into thin air.
They started to rule Turkey, like Ataturk.

 

You are right that most people in Anatolia and the Balkans don't exhibit "Turkic" genetic characteristics. The same way most people in Iranian Azerbaijan or the Azerbaijan Republic, while speaking a Turkic language, also don't exhibit such characteristics. But culturally, the Ottoman empire was, before the advent of Westernization starting in the 19th century and adoption of Turkic identity as part of the westernized notions of nationalism, Persianate and part of the Turko-Persian tradition.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persianate_society

More broadly, as the late Bernard Lewis (who was a first rate historian, even if he would lend his scholarship later in life to the neocon cause) mentioned once:

These Persianate societies, however, began to fade under the weight of westernization. By the 19th century, the Ottoman empire had already adopted westernization in practice and began to also stress its Turkic identity. Something that gained momentum following the establishment of the Republic of Turkey as the successor state to the Ottoman empire.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkish_people

 

I had read that the Turks didn't consider themselves Turks before the advent of Kemal Attaturk. He emphasized it in their schools and made them proud to be Turks, where as before it wasn't so.

As for culture, I always felt that the more positive influences in Turkey came from Persia and from the Byzantines, who also had a strong Persian influence. This influence probably predates Alexander the Great, since many of the Greek islands fought with Persia rather than with Athens.

There are differences though in the music of Turkey and Greece - even though it was the refugees from Turkey that had brought the non Western music into Greece. When I looked to find where it could have stemmed from, and what music might have influenced that of modern Greece, it turned out to be that of the Sephardic Jews in Morocco.

 

There was no genocide against the native Americans, otherwise they wouldn't exist - and they do. Most natives assimilated, but the ones who refused to were given their own nations/reservations. That way they could have their own laws and continue their way of life.

They were not 'death marches' but were marches to the reservations. This doesn't mean they didn't suffer, I'm sure they did, but its blown out of proportion by lawyers, who want to make a few bucks by suing the government.

Many of the tribes are now super rich because as separate nations, they do not have to follow state laws and have opened gambling casinos. Other tribes have found oil on their lands, and have been living the high life for decades.

Anyway many tribes were peaceful and they ended up suffering the same fate as the Europeans from the more savage tribes. The worst of all were the Comanches. Here are some testimonies:

"...In one well known case where I live, huron indians murdered several priests. They also murdered some prisoners they captured from other tribes. Their ‘prisoners’ were tied up outdoor on a stake and tortured for three days by cutting and pulling off body parts. The worst was when they used their mouths to gnaw off the fingers of the victims. They kept them alive as long a possible so the torture would last. This was common among natives..."

"...Mrs. Maverick was one of the women who cared for Miss Lockhart after her release (from the Comanches). She described the girl's condition: "Her head, arms, and face were full of bruises, and sores, and her nose was actually burnt off to the bone. Both nostrils were wide open and denuded of flesh." Safe now with Mrs. Maverick, the girl broke into tears and said she was "utterly degraded, and could not hold up [my] head again." She described the horrors she had endured. Beyond her sexual humiliations, she had been tortured terribly by the women, who had held torches to her face to make her scream. Her whole thin body bore scars from fire. .."

"...One by one, the children and young women were pegged out naked beside the camp fire. They were skinned, sliced, and horribly mutilated, and finally burned alive by vengeful women determined to wring the last shriek and convulsion from their agonized bodies. Matilda Lockhart's six-year-old sister was among these unfortunates who died screaming under the high plains moon..."
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Turkey still believe they own those waters, reminds me of the Russian speaking inhabitants of Crimea.
Cyprus owns the entire Island.

 

I already sourced the definition of what a genocide is. And it doesn't mean a total and complete wipe out of an entire civilization. It can be partial. Hence the US did commit genocide against the native Americans. You're not responding to this as well.

The US held death marches, called the trial of tears. They forced people to march. They died by the 1000's.