U.S. Troops Leaving Syria Will Move to Western Iraq, Defense Secretary Says

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  1. Bush Lawyer

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    Yet another Trump lie.

    https://time.com/5705653/troops-syria-iraq/

    "Bring our boys home," he says, and the Trumpeteers trumpet loudly. Jayzuz.

    "Nah, let's tell everyone that, but let's leave them in the ME."

    Come on Team USA!

    Has all the hallmarks of what has been postulated. Trump dumped on the Kurds, allowed the Turk to invade Syria and lied that he took the US Troops out to 'bring them home.'

    I cannot believe you guys will tolerate this wilful bullshit you get fed by Donald.
     
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    Trump's decision to take the token US force out of Syria can be attributed to different motives. It might be that he just felt he didn't have enough leverage to prevent the Turkish incursion and wanted to make sure those US troops would not be in a position they could get harmed and, therefore, force a major confrontation between the US and Turkey. It could be that he was influenced, not so much by royalties from the Trump Towers in Istanbul, but his business links to Turkey in the sense of making him more amenable to see things through their eyes, while resisting some of the anti-Turkish propaganda. Alternatively, under the totality of circumstances, including talk from certain proponents of the "Moscow Project" to leave Syria for the Russians to handle (while pushing the Russians to also cooperate in seeing Iran's influence taken out of Syria), he just decided that it was best for the US troops to be withdrawn. But whatever Trump's motives, until the Trump administration gives up on the Israeli inspired obsession and fight against Iran, there is absolutely no truth in the idea that Trump is trying to end America's involvement in 'endless wars'. It doesn't matter how many times Trump says that himself (or even to himself); as long as his administration is following the anti-Iran script, you will see US troops assigned and reassigned in missions in the region and not anywhere close to the US itself. Which why this US contingent is being sent to Iraq (to buttress pro US and anti-Iran forces within Iraq) and why, at around the same time Trump was withdrawing American forces from Syria, he was sending thousands of troops to Saudi Arabia.

    https://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-5609459,00.html
    Pompeo and Netanyahu meet as the U.S. seeks to assure Israel focus stays on Iran "threat"
    Trump's Syria about-face was the latest in recent decisions that have stirred discomfort within Netanyahu's conservative cabinet, which had previously seen itself and the Trump administration as marching in lockstep
     
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    Exactly. He needed to either build up forces to the point where they could protect themselves from the Turks or he needed to get them to Safety. He isn't authorized by Congress to get into a shooting war with Turkey, so he took the latter.

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    Pathetic Duo Nancy Pelosi and Top Lt. Adam Schiff Fly Off to Jordan for Meetings on Syria in the hopes they might finally find something to impeach Trump over.
     
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    None of your business
     
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    If true this is worrying, but still preferable to having them in active conflict.

    Withdraw now. From the entire region.
     
  6. Bush Lawyer

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    Just the business of the ME is none of yours,
     
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    Jeannette Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Trump was probably under a lot of pressure from Nato not to lose Turkey, and had no choice but to remove the American troops - which is fine, since we were there illegally and were destroying the country. I also recall Assad saying that if the Americans leave, then he will ask Iran to leave. If so, then a war with Iran has been averted and possibly a world war.

    Anyway this is what I came across in Greek pronews:

    Russian troops have launched and are currently conducting extensive airstrikes in the town of Kamisli in northeastern Syria on the border with Turkey, in order to guarantee, in collaboration with the Syrian government, the security of the Kurdish populations in the region against any new Turkish attack.

    Tomorrow Vladimir Putin will be having a meeting with Erdogan. I guess he wanted to show him who is boss.
     
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    Good post Jeanette. Let's hope Putin and Erdogan agree to clear an area south of Turkey in Syria and allow Syrian refugees to return home. This is what Erdogan says he wants and his reason for invading Syria. But some felt he was going to far. We shall see.
     
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    I wonder why they have not begun this process in the Afrin area they already liberated from the Kurds in north west Syria?
     
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    Let Suni and Shia Muslims fight their fights.
    Why does USA has to stand in the middle subject to danger from both of them.
    If the Turks are stupid enough to get involved in the Syrian swamp, let them.
    They produce pressure on the Iranians and the Assad goons.
    The US still keeps forces guarding the oil fields that the Kurds control.
    This way Assad, Turkey Iran and Russia are wasting money and man, but see no returns.
    This best serves US interests in that Barbaric area.
     
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    And the troops to remain will guard the oil fields from ISIS, a task that is apparently beyond the abilities of the Kurds or the Syrian Government.

     
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    Turkey is about as likely to leave NATO as Mexico is to give Trump the Key to Mexico City. The ONLY reason that Trump screwed a major ally of ours is because Erdogan threatened to throw out his new hotel in Istanbul. ISIS is still fighting in Iraq and a threat to the oil fields and now Trump wants our troops still there to team up with the KURDS to fight them:eekeyes: The man is purely ****** INSANE.
     
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    I think the MSM has gotten to you. As for the Kurds, we're the one's arming and supplying them.

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    Iraq says they do not want our troops in their country!!!
     
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    And allowing the Turks to kill them and chase them out of their homes.

    The only thing worse than watching Trump is watching Trumpers make excuses for him. At least Trump has the excuse of being crazy.
     
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    What the **** do they know. They only live there.

    Hey, maybe we should finance a Baghdad Trump Tower. Then American troops would guard it 24/7/365/forever. Instead of sergeants the Marines could have the rank of concierge.
     
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    Americans say they don't want illegal aliens in America but...
     
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    The president has the authority under the war powers act to shoot back, but not if the fearless leader has bone spurs yellow spine affliction.
     
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    Corporate America and the wealthy say differently than what you plebs aver.
     
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    I read everything you posted carefully. The American troops will only remain along the border near Iraq and Jordan which is in the south of Syria. Trump said there will be military contractors near the oil fields east of Euphrates, maybe to help rebuild what our bombings destroyed.

    Trump might have made agreements with the Syrian government and the Russians about the oil wells, since they are legally Syria's and we were never given permission to be there. That was Obama's doing. What I do know is that all the parties in Syria are working on a peace plan, and Russia was upset that Turkey's invasion might disrupt it..


    The Kurds had come to an agreement with the Syrian government for protection, and this is why Trump decided to pull out the American troops. He didn't want them to get in the crossfire between two opposing warring troops. I know from the Greek pronews, that Russian troops rushed in immediately when the Americans troops left to protect a town bordering Turkey. It also gave Erdogan a good warning before meeting with Putin in Socchi today.

    I also read that the US will be working with the Turkish troops along another section of Syria, which I assume was part of the ceasefire agreement between Trump and Erdogan.
     
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    That changed when ISIS started using up in Iraq. And when Obama sent the troops back to Iraq. The new Iraqi parliament renewed the immunity agreement for the US soldiers. SOFA. Status of Forces Agreement.
     
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    I watched the video of the troops leaving and the reaction of the locals.
    If only they could pick up a rifle and fight for themselves rather than hiding while someone else does the fighting for them.
    https://time.com/5705969/syria-withdrawl-potatoes/
     
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    Kurds don't hide or run from a fight. We really don't know who was throwing the vegetables at the US troops.
     
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    But we know why. They still wanted the US to risk it's soldiers lives defending their country rather than doing it themselves.
     
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    Oh for heaven's sake it was the Kurds. They were pelting them because they felt the American troops were deserting them. The Russians in support of the Syrian army, came immediately to protect them.

    It wasn't that. It was that the Kurds had just come to an agreement with the Syrian army, and Trump didn't want the American troops to get caught in the fighting between the Turks and the Syrian army.
     

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