Susan Rice is full of (*)(*)(*)(*) by the way. [video=youtube_share;UlNwo52uEkE]http://youtu.be/UlNwo52uEkE[/video] [video=youtube_share;Fucpus065C4]http://youtu.be/Fucpus065C4[/video] Who knows about this? This is why people should almost always dismiss what politicians say because they often do the opposite.
Democracy and freedom are a relative term. Also, by the way, the Bible is the document that defines Israel's borders and that is at the River EUFRATES. I am not jewish but I think the Bible is worth something, especially that the enemies of Christianity, the muslims, copy this part too. The solution to the settlement question is probably not whether they make them legal/illegal or not, but a joint administration of all these lands. Will this happen? Of course not. There is always more money to be made with war. And this is why the US veto ... in my humble opinion.
Washington supports Israel for a long list of reasons and it has very little to do with the influence of AIPAC which predates it's existance. Israel provides many services to the Empire. What's called "stability" in the Middle East. As U.S. Senator Henry Jackson explained the meaning of the term in 1973: Jackson was referring to United States policy of "containment" of Arab Nationalism in the region: Shortly after the invasion of Iraq, Zbigniew Brzezinski pointed out that: Israel also acts as a surrogate for the United States when Washington is constrained from directly providing military aid to it's terrorist armies by public opinion or Congress. On Israel as a U.S. mercenary state, see for example: During the Carter years: See? Lots of services.
Because he doesn't like the idea of the U.N. meddling in the internal affairs of countries? Folks, there isn't going to be any peace in the middle east. Get over that.
the position of the usa relative to israel is utterly disgusting, and the reason you got attacked on 9-11, it will also be the reason you will be attacked again and many more of your citizens will die, then again, and again, and again, until us voters get their heads out of their asses and demand their government starts behaving like human beings. and you cant criticise anyone for that, if you were in their position youd be looking to bomb times square as well, so so are they, and they will.
it is also by far the biggest single injustice on planet earth. the reason the palestinians still dont have a state is america, nothing else, if it wasnt for america they would have had one decades ago, its only america who takes this disgusting hypocritical position the whole rest of the world opposes it. so you cant blame them for wanting to attack you, thats how you got your country, and you cant say you werent thoroughly warned when it happens. it will be your own fault, you brought it upon yourselves. israel is also guaranteed to be the cause of ww3, if there ever is nuclear armageddon it will be because of israel. so thanks very much in advance for bringing human life on earth to an end through your crass hypocrisy and ignorance, much appreciated.
1. The Bible is far from a valid text, and definitely not something- especially if you actually believe in the Bible- that you should be basing political opinions on. 2. Muslims are not the enemies of Christianity. Muslim's freely acknowledge Christianity as not only valid, but ancestral to their own beliefs...for the most part. 3. That land, to Israel, is invaluable, not the war. They are a tiny country that wants to be bigger- needs to be bigger- if it is to be valid. Amazing that for such a tiny country they have 200 nuclear weapons. But no nuclear program, mind you, lol. As towards the OP, man, I could not be any less surprised. If Israel started eating Palestinian children, I would not be surprised if the US vetoed intervention. The relationship between these two countries is bordering on creepy. Not because of what it means for the Middle East, but what it means for our us, that our government supports and collaborates with this...stuff.
write your congressman then, the only people in the world who can get the palestinians a state are american voters nobody else, you have to make your govt get tough with israel, its decades away but you have to start somewhere
You may be right, as it certainly seems to look. As my cousin told my cousin once. "That f'ing girl is bad news. She likes starting trouble and always wants things her way."
here are some statements made by israeli prime ministers, theyre really nice people who just want peace and democracy eh, clearly "We must expel Arabs and take their places." -- David Ben Gurion, 1937, Ben Gurion and the Palestine Arabs, Oxford University Press, 1985. "There has been Anti-Semitism, the Nazis, Hitler, Auschwitz, but was that their fault? They see but one thing: we have come and we have stolen their country. Why would they accept that?" -- Quoted by Nahum Goldmann in Le Paraddoxe Juif (The Jewish Paradox), pp. 121-122. "Jewish villages were built in the place of Arab villages. You do not even know the names of these Arab villages, and I do not blame you because geography books no longer exist. Not only do the books not exist, the Arab villages are not there either. Nahlal arose in the place of Mahlul; Kibbutz Gvat in the place of Jibta; Kibbutz Sarid in the place of Huneifis; and Kefar Yehushua in the place of Tal al-Shuman. There is not a single place built in this country that did not have a former Arab population." -- Moshe Dayan, April 1969, Ha'aretz; quoted in Edward Said, 'Zionism from the Standpoint of Its Victims', Social Text, Volume 1, 1979, 7-58. "Let us not ignore the truth among ourselves ... politically we are the aggressors and they defend themselves... The country is theirs, because they inhabit it, whereas we want to come here and settle down, and in their view we want to take away from them their country." -- David Ben Gurion, quoted on pp 91-2 of Chomsky's Fateful Triangle, which appears in Simha Flapan's "Zionism and the Palestinians pp 141-2 citing a 1938 speech. "If I knew that it was possible to save all the children of Germany by transporting them to England, and only half by transferring them to the Land of Israel, I would choose the latter, for before us lies not only the numbers of these children but the historical reckoning of the people of Israel." -- David Ben-Gurion (Quoted on pp 855-56 in Shabtai Teveth's Ben-Gurion in a slightly different translation). David Ben Gurion Prime Minister of Israel 1949 - 1954, 1955 - 1963 "There is no such thing as a Palestinian people... It is not as if we came and threw them out and took their country. They didn't exist." -- Golda Meir, statement to The Sunday Times, 15 June, 1969. "How can we return the occupied territories? There is nobody to return them to." -- Golda Meir, March 8, 1969. "Any one who speaks in favor of bringing the Arab refugees back must also say how he expects to take the responsibility for it, if he is interested in the state of Israel. It is better that things are stated clearly and plainly: We shall not let this happen." -- Golda Meir, 1961, in a speech to the Knesset, reported in Ner, October 1961 "This country exists as the fulfillment of a promise made by God Himself. It would be ridiculous to ask it to account for its legitimacy." -- Golda Meir, Le Monde, 15 October 1971 Golda Meir Prime Minister of Israel 1969 - 1974 "We walked outside, Ben-Gurion accompanying us. Allon repeated his question, What is to be done with the Palestinian population?' Ben-Gurion waved his hand in a gesture which said 'Drive them out!" -- Yitzhak Rabin, leaked censored version of Rabin memoirs, published in the New York Times, 23 October 1979. "[Israel will] create in the course of the next 10 or 20 years conditions which would attract natural and voluntary migration of the refugees from the Gaza Strip and the west Bank to Jordan. To achieve this we have to come to agreement with King Hussein and not with Yasser Arafat." -- Yitzhak Rabin (a "Prince of Peace" by Clinton's standards), explaining his method of ethnically cleansing the occupied land without stirring a world outcry. (Quoted in David Shipler in the New York Times, 04/04/1983 citing Meir Cohen's remarks to the Knesset's foreign affairs and defense committee on March 16.) Yitzhak Rabin Prime Minister of Israel 1974 - 1977, 1992 - 1995 "[The Palestinians] are beasts walking on two legs." -- Israeli Prime Minister Menachem Begin, speech to the Knesset, quoted in Amnon Kapeliouk, "Begin and the 'Beasts,"' New Statesman, June 25, 1982. "The Partition of Palestine is illegal. It will never be recognized .... Jerusalem was and will for ever be our capital. Eretz Israel will be restored to the people of Israel. All of it. And for Ever." -- Menachem Begin, the day after the U.N. vote to partition Palestine. Menachem Begin Prime Minister of Israel 1977 - 1983 "The past leaders of our movement left us a clear message to keep Eretz Israel from the Sea to the River Jordan for future generations, for the mass aliya (=Jewish immigration), and for the Jewish people, all of whom will be gathered into this country." -- Former Prime Minister Yitzhak Shamir declares at a Tel Aviv memorial service for former Likud leaders, November 1990. Jerusalem Domestic Radio Service. "The settlement of the Land of Israel is the essence of Zionism. Without settlement, we will not fulfill Zionism. It's that simple." -- Yitzhak Shamir, Maariv, 02/21/1997. "(The Palestinians) would be crushed like grasshoppers ... heads smashed against the boulders and walls." -- Isreali Prime Minister (at the time) Yitzhak Shamir in a speech to Jewish settlers New York Times April 1, 1988 Yizhak Shamir Prime Minister of Israel 1983 - 1984, 1986 - 1992 "Israel should have exploited the repression of the demonstrations in China, when world attention focused on that country, to carry out mass expulsions among the Arabs of the territories." -- Benyamin Netanyahu, then Israeli Deputy Foreign Minister, former Prime Minister of Israel, speaking to students at Bar Ilan University, from the Israeli journal Hotam, November 24, 1989. Benjamin Netanyahu Prime Minister of Israel 1996 - 1999 "The Palestinians are like crocodiles, the more you give them meat, they want more".... -- Ehud Barak, Prime Minister of Israel at the time - August 28, 2000. Reported in the Jerusalem Post August 30, 2000 "If we thought that instead of 200 Palestinian fatalities, 2,000 dead would put an end to the fighting at a stroke, we would use much more force...." -- Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Barak, quoted in Associated Press, November 16, 2000. "I would have joined a terrorist organization." -- Ehud Barak's response to Gideon Levy, a columnist for the Ha'aretz newspaper, when Barak was asked what he would have done if he had been born a Palestinian. Ehud Barak Prime Minister of Israel 1999 - 2001 "It is the duty of Israeli leaders to explain to public opinion, clearly and courageously, a certain number of facts that are forgotten with time. The first of these is that there is no Zionism, colonialization, or Jewish State without the eviction of the Arabs and the expropriation of their lands." -- Ariel Sharon, Israeli Foreign Minister, addressing a meeting of militants from the extreme right-wing Tsomet Party, Agence France Presse, November 15, 1998. "Everybody has to move, run and grab as many (Palestinian) hilltops as they can to enlarge the (Jewish) settlements because everything we take now will stay ours...Everything we don't grab will go to them." -- Ariel Sharon, Israeli Foreign Minister, addressing a meeting of the Tsomet Party, Agence France Presse, Nov. 15, 1998. "Israel may have the right to put others on trial, but certainly no one has the right to put the Jewish people and the State of Israel on trial." -- Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon, 25 March, 2001 quoted in BBC News Online
Of course not. Israeli politics is quite volatile. There are critics on the left and right of the Netanyahu regime. Some of those on the right have gone so far as to violently oppose the current government efforts to stabilize the settlement areas/occupied territories. On the other hand, the more leftist political parties and constituents oppose the supposed hard line of the Likud, advocating for greater leniency in negotiating with the Palestinians. This had led to around a thirty percent public approval rating of Benjamin Netanyahu in Israel.
So we used the nations veto override to protect the interests of an allie, good. I don't see the issue after the Holocaust and all the Israeli's are not going anywhere without a fight.
Your government used its veto to let Israel steal more land that does not belong to them, nothing to do with the Holocaust and nothing to do with getting rid of Israel. It is to do with the law and Israel is breaking it by building illegal settlements on some elses land in contravention of the Geneva convention.
Oh I see...You build a house, I murder you. Makes lots of sense.....to nuts. Maybe it's your own stink you're smelling.
I stand with Israelis and Palestinians, not with Bibi. US blind support for Israel combined with this extremist are the biggest threat to Israeli and US security, up to and including Iran. Why anyone would want to encourage conflict is beyond me, but why the US continues to stand by and let it happen while pretending to be a beacon of freedom, democracy, and justice is absolutely ridiculous. How can those who represent our country act in ways that are so blatantly unAmerican?
I see the lack of a formal agreement between Israel and Palestine to be a matter truly based in realist international relations theory. Both sides pursue the maximization of state political, economic, and social power. The result, using basic game theory, the security dilemma, and the prisoner's dilemma, is mutual defect, manifesting itself in geopolitical polarization, stalemate, and military conflict. The real question in pursuing a solution is therefore not what kind of blueprint should be used, but what could be the impetuses for cooperation to allow for fulfilling in practice the objectives of a blueprint?
if you terrorise my family into leaving then build a house on my land and fence it off Im perfectly entitled to shoot you, thats the situation with the palestinians
both sides dont pursue anything, the palestinians have been neutered to the point they cant even keep security in their own territories as israel has spent the last 10 years attacking police stations. the palestinians do not want to maximise anything, they just want their state back, within 1967 borders, its israel that is trying to maximise territorial gains, they are not equal.
israel is trying to maximise territorial gains and have complete dominance militarily, the palestinians just want their country back and to stop being oppressed, the two do not compare
Where did I indicate that the objectives of Israel and Palestine are equal? I said both sides pursue similar goals, such as maximization of state political, economic, and social power. The means in which they do so are not the same, and henceforth, not equal.
I dont think the palestinians do that though, israel clearly does but I dont see in what ways the palestinians are in a position to even consider maximising anything, and their stated intention is a limited goal of a state within 1967 borders, whereas israels stated goal is haretz israel ie everything between the river jordan and the euphrates or whatever, cause 'god' promised them it allegedly.
