UK must accept free movement says EU

You dont know what you are talking about... trade deals the EU has with other countries dont give them full access. Many stuff are still subject to tariffs and quotas, and other protectionism, and other such stuff. Yes, its free trade, but there are degrees to 'free'.

 

free trade means ZERO tarriffs, border fees, etc.

 

Then there is very little free trade anywhere in the world. Even in the eu there are still some stuff left.. but we are working on getting rid of them

 

Nazis are those who revere Hitler.

I for one don't revere Hitler, who went nuts killing Europeans, and who ultimately lead to a Liberal backlash.

Heck, I don't even like Germans, I don't like when Germans were going nuts in imperialism, or going nuts today in multiculturalism.

 

Depends on which part of the US and what part of Europe. What's your point? The UK is certainly not part of mainland Europe if you feel that the boundaries must be contiguous.

 

no, Nazis are those who believe in National Socialism, which includes extreme racism and white racial pride, authoritarianism, police state, trade protectionism and crony capitalism.

 

Its just 32 km at the strait of dover...

 

Yes, it is.

 

I support ONR a Polish nationalist group that existed before Nazis even invaded Poland.

I despise Nazis for what they did to Poland, how could that make me a Nazi? LOL

But, Capitalist Germany during WW1 was not better, when they killed millions of Europeans, including by the use of poison gases, not to mention Capitalist Germany of WW1 sent the train of Bolsheviks to Russia during WW1, which effectively created the Soviet Union.

I don't like Germans what so ever, I'd even go so far to call them the cancer of Europe, along with their spin off tribes like the English, or Yiddish speaking Jews.

 

If you ruled poland.. what would your foreign policy be? Would you seek war with germany? Just curious

 

If I ruled Poland it would not be in the EU, or NATO, Instead of the EU, or NATO, I'd seek to implement Intermarium.

Seek to be neutral towards both Germans, and Russians, but also neutral towards Jews, and Muslims.

This pro-German, and pro-Jewish policy of Poland is truly ridiculous.

Germans are not better for Poland than Russians, nor are Jews better for Poland than Muslims.

I'd also kick start Polish companies through government intervention, particularly FSO cars would be financed through the state, but remain semi privitized.

I'd make sure no productive, or innovative Polish companies fail, or get bought out.

I'd also increase funding for healthcare, to increase the living age of Poland.

I'd give every Polish family a gun, manufactured by Polish labor, in Polish factories, if God forbid invaders come back.

I'd abolish corporate tax rates.

Taxes would be increased on the rich to pay for this, and I'd legalize drugs,and tax them, and increase taxation on alcohol, and tobacco significantly.

Of course, immigration would be almost non-existent, except for maybe some Ukrainian refugees.

 

there will be no "free movement".
no unlimited immigration.
it's not on offer.

If that means less single market access, no biggie. 80% of our existing exports to the EU are not covered by the single market agreement anyhow.
We are well shot of this dumbarsed agreement. It has been a massive loss maker right from the start.

Sayonara single market. Feel free to tariff what little trade goods you buy from us. In return we will tariff 10 times as much in return. You get to keep your gypsies, we get to keep our money.

 

the EU cannot encourage other nations to leave.

therefore they cannot give the UK the same free market deal minus free movement

 

The leave campaign made three key promises – are they keeping them?

 

I see... leave the EU and NATO, neutrality towards all major powers, implement intermarium.. Okay, if you were the ruler of poland, you could easily do all of that except the last bit. How would you convince the other countries to join your intermarium? I say convince because using military means is obviously not an alternative. Why would these countries to seek to partner up with Poland, when the EU, NATO, and even Russia are better alternatives? Poland can't offer better economic or military deals than the other alternatives... Doesn't intermarium seem rather unrealistic? But so is neutrality.. What makes you think other powers would respect your neutrality, especially Russia? You have Kaliningrad just right nextdoor, a similar position to how Ukraine had Sevastopol in Crimea. Russia would definitely meddle in your affairs one way or another.

 

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The who?

Who the F are "the leave campaign"?

Why would I give a (*)(*)(*)(*) about their promises any more that I give a (*)(*)(*)(*) about yours?
You had your vote. I had mine. They had theirs. All our votes were equal.

I made myself a promise and I stuck to it. Your promises are irrelevant to me.

 

This is the typical arrogant behavior that drove Britain from the EU in the first place. What the (*)(*)(*)(*) does immigration have to do with negotiating trade policy? The UK should tell them to (*)(*)(*)(*) off and then just increase trade with the US. The US will support the UK even Obama has backtracked from his infantile threats and said they support the UK still.

 

The EU should consider encouraging other nations to stay.
Therefore they can and should give all their members the free market deal minus "free movement" (unlimited immigration).

It's reform or die time for the EU.

 

The idea is to make Intermarium so these nations can join up against bullies from the West mostly Germanic's, or the bullies from the East mostly Russian's.

These Intermarium nations generally hold Conservative values which are much different than those in the West, and also quite a bit different than Russia.

The only Intermarium nation I can think of that would prefer to be aligned with Russia over Poland is Serbia, and maybe Finland, Lithuania would prefer to be aligned with Germany over Poland.

But, the bulk of these nations definitely fit in nicely with Poland.

Besides, even Lithuania might join Poland, considering how many don't want EU refugees, and don't like Russia.

 

Militarily, the alternative for these countries is NATO or intermarium.. Do you think they feel safer with the US, UK, France, and Germany on their side, or if it's just eastern europe alone vs Russia? Quite frankly, Russia can easily take eastern europe.. and everyone knows that. That is why eastern europeans are the most supportive of NATO. They are the weakest members, they are closest to Russia, and they recently experienced soviet occupation. Intermarium would not in any way improve their national security. I don't think you'd have any luck.

and economically, it's EU vs intermarium.. Whereas the Eu offers money from richer countries and access to their markets, intermarium offers... No money and no big markets, because it's just a collection of poor post-communist states. It's not a very tempting alternative. Face it, it's totally unrealistic.

edit: adding up the gdp of this intermarium gives 2042 billion USD in GDP, and that includes finland, the baltics, all of the former soviet bloc, old yugoslavia.. Compare that to russia's 1857 billion USD and Germany's 3860. Eastern europe.. even if all of it joined -which is very unlikely- would still be poor.

 

As if the EU is no threat by threatening sanctions against some Intermarium nations merely for rejecting the Muslim refugee quotas?

That's madness.

The Intermarium Nations have seen a lot faster economic growth on the whole, than the Western EU, since it's cheaper to operate in the Intermarium nations.

The Intermarium nations are simply incompatible with Western European Liberalism, thus it makes sense to leave, and start our own ventures.

 

Well, let me put it this way.. Would you rather have some muslim refugees, or have Russia annex a piece of poland?

intermarium wouldn't see very good growth without access to rich western europe.

 

Who says Germany isn't going to annex a piece of Poland in the future?

- German Teutons came to Gdansk in the 1300's as "friends" when Germans burned Gdansk to the ground, and killed up to 10,000 Polish people.

- Polish came to the German Holy Roman Empire city of Vienna in 1683, as "friends" to save them from Islamic Ottoman Turks, by the late 1690's Germans were conspiring to overthrow the Polish throne with Augustus the Strong a German Saxon traitor of Poland.

- German Prussians in 1791 signed an alliance pact as "friends" with Poland, by 1793 they were participating in Partitioning Poland.

- German Nazis in 1933 signed an non aggression pact as "friends" with Poland, by 1939 they were mass murdering, and stealing Polish land.

So, we can clearly see that friendship with Germans is worth about as much as a dog turd.

 

Are you saying you are afriad of germans today? If you meant germany back in the days.. under kaiser wilhelm or under hitler, then yeah, be very afriad. But germany today is lead by merkel.

 

So, why is Germany threatening economic wars on those who don't follow their EU agenda, be it Britain's brexit, or Poland, Hungary, Czech, Slovakia, and Romania's rejection of EU Muslim refugee quotas?