There is no grown up comment in your post. First, calling someone a bigot for acknowledging UKIP bigotry isn't high up in the sense stakes. Indeed, you fellows have basically said I'm an anti-english englishman. Made me laugh mind you. Second, referring to the SWP when the thread is about UKIP and no contributors are SWP members is just desperation. Truth is obvious. We have Little Englanders voting for bigotry and supporting thatcherism, despite the same policies delivering outrageous harm to the common man.
It's not UKIP and their voters who are racist and bigoted. It's the EU which is racist and bigoted, because the EU ensures that Britain has to let in an unlimited amount of Europeans, no matter what, yet we have to restrict immigration from elsewhere in the world. Here's a recent letter to my local newspaper, The Bolton News: Racism and bigotry have many forms Wednesday 14th May 2014 in Letters . THE rise in the fortunes of UKIP has well and truly rattled the Liberal Left “whingers”, judging by the number of letters attacking the party. The racist card has now been played in a last-ditch effort to draw support away from UKIP, such as the rant from Steve Jones on May 8. However, it most likely will backfire on them big style in a couple of weeks’ time. But Mr Jones’ assertions that UKIP is a racist party needs to be put into perspective and warrants further scrutiny. What is a racist? The common perception is that a racist is someone who discriminates against another person because perhaps they may be from a different ethnic or cultural background to themselves, but this is too simplistic a description and there’s a lot more to it than that. What about people who discriminate against those who support a different football team? Or those who assign themselves to a different religion or people who hate tax collectors with a passion? Isn’t this a form of prejudice or racism? It’s discrimination, whichever way you look at it. Then there are those who think it is wrong to put homosexual relationships on a par with marriage between a man and a woman. Are these people racists, or bigots, for having such views? Of course they are not! Are people who want to see sensible restrictions on the number and quality of migrants who come to this country racist? Absolutely not. Are those people who deny that humans have caused climate change racists too, like holocaust deniers? Or those who want the country to withdraw from the political union it has with Europe just because they believe they are superior to those “Europeans” and much better at running their own lives with their own money — are they racists? I don’t doubt that there are “racists” within UKIP and, indeed, all of the other parties, including those on the Left. You see, Mr Jones, bigotry, racism and prejudice exists in all of us, not just those from the right of the political spectrum. It is a trait that is common to our species. Mr Jones repeatedly emphasises his dislike for a variety of people. I, on the other hand, don’t like socialists, socialism, political correctness, those who want to part me from a large proportion of my hard-earned property and those who want to boss me around and interfere with the way I live. Stuart A Chapman Isle of Wight http://www.theboltonnews.co.uk/comment/comment/yourview/11211658.Racism_and_bigotry_have_many_forms/
This has no logic to it. English nationalists are typically racist. Are all UKIPers racist? Certainly not. However, it certainly courts the racist. I'd argue that the majority of UKIPers are simply Little Englander 'innocent' (i.e. they really don't know what they are doing, god bless'em). We saw that in this thread with the UKIPer referring to "we wouldn't bail out the bankers" whilst ignoring that it was right wing economics that gave us the financial crisis. Basic innocence!
I think chippy Scots who come out with such ludicrous assertions are racists. I will say again: It's not UKIP who are racist. It's the EU which is racist by forcing Britain to accept unlimited numbers of skilled or unskilled workers from anywhere in the EU due to its "free movement of peoples within the EU" law at the expense of skilled workers from the vast world outside the EU. As Farage has pointed out many times, as a member of the EU Britain has to accept an unlimited number of unskilled migrants from EU states like Romania and Bulgaria at the expense of SKILLED migrants from fellow Commonwealth countries like New Zealand (New Zealanders with a long memory will remember their country's economy going tits up as a result of Britain joining the then Common Market in 1973) and India. It's not UKIP who are racist. It's the EU. I could argue that the SNP court the racist Little Scotlanders.
Letters to my local newspaper, The Bolton News: Why UKIP is winning our votes Tuesday 13th May 2014 in Letters . THE political elite are running for toilet rolls as UKIP’s popularity rises in the polls. They have not the sense to realise that by rubbishing this party and its leader, they are driving voters in their thousands towards UKIP. Nigel Farage, like or loathe him, is the only political leader that has had a real job, as opposed to Cameron, Clegg and Miliband, who left university and went straight into politics. Farage was a stockbroker and mixed with the higher echelons of society, but at least he has worked in a real job. The Conservatives seem to be turning the finances of the country around, although the man in the street has yet to feel the benefits. But there are those among them who see no harm in ripping the taxpayer off. The LibDems, who sold their souls to the Devil for a sniff of power, want to live in a country where freedom means an open door for everyone and his aunty, while extolling the virtues of the Human Rights Act for everyone. Labour sat and watched the EU rape the country of its right to self-determination because they were among those MPs too busy on the expenses gravy train to realise what we were giving away. The so-called free press and media are now delving through everything to rubbish UKIP as they are a challenge to the establishment that has not served the country well over the years. We are told that there are three million jobs at risk if we leave the EU, but they never say how many EU jobs depend on us staying. I believe there are far more jobs in Europe benefiting from us being members. The EU was set up as a trading organisation to allow cross-border trading for the benefit of its members. What we have today is a federal state whereby a few unelected fat cats dictate what we can and can’t do in our own country. Who benefits from the EU? Just drive down any road in this country in your pothole dodger and then look at the roads in Spain and Portugal, funded partly by us. We are net contributors to the EU and it’s time we had the right to decide the destiny of this country. We are told that the infrastructure of the country — schools, hospitals, social services, council services — is bursting at the seams. Let’s close the door and only accept those who can benefit the country, remove undesirables and criminals and allow the people of this country to fly the nation’s flags and celebrate being British without being branded racist or right-wing lunatics. Name and address supplied http://www.theboltonnews.co.uk/comment/comment/yourview/11209320.Why_UKIP_is_winning_our_votes/ ******************* CONKIP would be a strong union Thursday 15th May 2014 in Letters . THE writer of the letter ‘Why UKIP is winning our votes’, Bolton News, May 13, is right —the other parties are running scared and in conjunction with the media are taking every opportunity to slag off UKIP. In terms of trade, regardless of membership of the EU, Britain is a major market place for European goods and hence on a reciprocal agreement it is as important for the EU to buy our products as it is for us to buy theirs to give a balance of trade and therefore a common market would be achieved. Everyone says that there are millions of Brits overseas, which is true. The difference being that our overseas hosts want us to go as we take millions of pounds with us. Most people living overseas are doing so because either they have skills to offer or they are retirees who take their pension pot with them. Very few are claiming any form of social support. I have no problem with a reciprocal agreement that sees people coming here to work and contribute to our system. What I don’t like are benefit tourists which we are seeing from the poorer EU states and flooding our towns and causing congestion in our welfare system. Not all visitors are like this, I just want tighter control on those who are. That’s not racist or irrational, but it is the concern that the other major parties have ignored and only UKIP have had the guts to put it on the table and say it out loud and is one of the main reasons that they are getting the vote. The economy is turning and the Conservatives, despite dragging an anchor in the form of the Liberals, have done a good job in turning around what Prime Minister/Chancellor Gordon Brown failed to do. So maybe the next coalition should be CONKIP and then we would really see a strong party at work. Andrew Davidson Bury http://www.theboltonnews.co.uk/comment/comment/yourview/ **************************** We are a proper party for the UK Friday 9th May 2014 in Letters. UKIP's Peter McGeehan in his "Old Sweet Shop" in Horwich, which he opened in 2010 to show other traders that the town’s businesses have a future. As well as sweets he sells cards, gifts and Lancashire-made ice cream I WRITE in reply to the letter from Steve Jones (May 3). Steve makes some very good points on major issues and he makes a very good case for voting UKIP. Yes, he’s right about the three main parties failing to address the issue of bankers and financiers profiting from the poorest in our country. Yes, he is right about politicians in London being more interested in their bank accounts than those of ordinary people, and yes he is right about UKIP once being a single-issue pressure group. However, what I think he would have also pointed out, with sufficient space, is that UKIP is now a properly formed party with a full slate of policies and in Bolton, a full slate of candidates this year. Every ward has a UKIP candidate. He would, I’m sure, agree that a local council or indeed a sitting of Parliament would benefit from a good mix of views and opinions to make things better. As with life a healthy, balanced diet is better than daily junk food. It’s the same in politics. Electing some UKIP councillors will benefit local democracy, not hinder it. UKIP councillors will bring us out of local political stagnation. The same applies to Westminster, a healthy diet of political opinion. UKIP is the first party ever to start a training academy for candidates and councillors. The pilot scheme, commenced last year, is helping into being a new breed of councillors, using the experience of previously elected members, who have now joined us. We will make a difference, Steve. Peter McGeehan UKIP candidate for Horwich North East and Claypool http://www.theboltonnews.co.uk/comment/comment/yourview/11202511.We_are_a_proper_party_for_the_UK/ (Horwich is part of Bolton Metropolitan Borough)
I'm English. Catch up! Repeating crass comment won't make it less crass. English nationalism is inherently racist in nature. That makes it distinct from the Scot and Welsh varieties Britain has a long history of benefiting from skilled immigration. Indeed, the only group which had lower average education than the home born were the Irish. Its actually countries like Germany that have an education deficiency between domestic and immigrant labour. The SNP went through a stage of courting white supremacists in the US. However, that's old news and irrelevant to the current party. Amusing that you think sneering at the Scots is an effective strategy when pretending UKIP aren't an inherently bigoted party
And yet there you are flying the Saltire. I'll say again: Making such ludicrous, ignorant assertions is racist. You're the racist here. Not any English nationalist. Yeah? Does it? Try telling that to that young woman in Scotland who was given two black eyes and a swollen face after a MAN beat her up for speaking with an English accent. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/north_east/7826264.stm Try telling that to the young New Zealand boy in Edinburgh who was attacked by a grown MAN for wearing an England football shirt. I wouldn't blame that New Zealand for getting the hell out of hellhole Scotland and come to England instead. They'd be much safer here. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-391763/Boy-7-attacked-Scotland-wearing-England-shirt.html Try telling that Mr Smith, who was dragged from his car in Aberdeen and given a black eye for wearing an England shirt. Here are some more cases of anti-English racism in the so-called "less racist" and "more tolerant" Scotland: Anti-English bullying Police probe 'Anywhere But England' holiday prize competition IT STARTED with T-shirts and banners, now an "Anywhere But England" holiday competition is being investigated by police for stirring up cross-Border World Cup animosity. Moderator says anti-English bigotry is 'like sectarianism' ANTI-ENGLISH bigotry in Scotland is on a par with sectarianism and should not be tolerated as part of a "healthy society," according to the leader of the Kirk. Anti-English racists 'pick on youngsters in Capital' YOUNGSTERS in the Capital are being victimised by anti-English racists, an MSP claimed today. Schoolgirl sues over 'anti-English abuse' A TEENAGER who claims she was subjected to anti-English abuse at her school will take her case against education officials to court, her solicitor confirmed yesterday. 'English car' attack in Glasgow under scrutiny PROSECUTORS are looking into a BBC Newsnight programme which showed youths attacking a car bedecked with St George flags which a TV crew left parked in the east end of Glasgow during the World Cup. Race concerns as schoolchildren's attitudes towards English revealed SCHOOLCHILDREN in Scotland show a "worrying hostility" towards English people and should be taught to curb their prejudice during anti-racism education, an Executive report has recommended. World Cup 'catalyst' for anti-Englishness THE number of anti-English incidents in Scotland rose substantially during the 2006 World Cup, according to figures released by Scotland's leading race equality body. Fire-bomber's tears as he is locked up for six months A TEENAGE "freedom fighter" wept yesterday as he was locked up for six months for petrol-bombing a council HQ as part of his campaign to win Scottish independence. Vulnerable teenage boy attacked for wearing England top A DISABLED teenager was attacked at a cinema - because he was wearing an England shirt with David Beckham's name on it. Football fan's cinema terror A DISABLED football fan has spoken of his terror at being attacked by anti-England thugs for wearing a David Beckham shirt. Aberdeen leaders condemn anti-English attacks in city THE leaders of all the political groups on Aberdeen City Council yesterday joined forces to condemn the spate of recent racist attacks against English football fans in the city. McConnell: English are welcome but I want Ecuador to beat them Key quote Rangers offer victim Hugo trip to Ibrox THE seven-year-old boy who was punched in an Edinburgh park for wearing an England top has been offered a day out at Rangers' Ibrox Stadium. Bitter feelings only serve to harm our nation THIS is proving a bad World Cup for Scotland. Tartan army vents its fury over 'slur' by Blair Key points Park disgrace as boy, 7, in England top punched by yobAN assault on a seven-year-old boy who was punched and kicked while playing in a city park for wearing an England shirt was today widely condemned as bringing "shame on Scotland". World Cup challenges schools' racism policies JACK McConnell must surely regret that he made public his support for any and all teams playing England. Are such remarks just harmless banter or are they hurtful and provocative? The difficulty is that the issue is subjective: one person's friendly rivalry is another's racism. The cross we have to bear I BLAME Jack McConnell, writes Jeremy Watson. Ever since the First Minister made clear he was supporting Trinidad and Tobago - England's first-round opponents in Germany along with Sweden and Paraguay - debate has raged over which team Scots should follow through the tournament in the absence of their own squad. 'Sickening' attack on two England fans AN ATTACK on two celebrating England fans in a Scottish town has been branded "sickening" by an Executive minister. Firm cancels Scots event after World Cup snub to England Key quote "There is a real concern with this. It's been going on for a few weeks now. It seems to be small-minded to support England's opponents and it's really not helpful to upset your biggest customer and biggest neighbour." - Peter Taylor of the British Hospitality Association Scotland http://www.scotsman.com/anti-english-bullying-1-1810591 Meanwhile in Wales: 'Anti-English attack' hurts horse Alison Hayes described the attack as "incredibly cruel" A horse's nose was cut and anti-English graffiti daubed on a stables owned by a Cardiff woman who had moved to a village in west Wales. Alison Hayes, who was born in the Welsh capital, found her seven-month-old pony with a wound to its nose. As she helped the animal at her land in Tegryn, near Crymych, Pembrokeshire, she also noticed anti-English graffiti written in garbled Welsh. Dyfed-Powys Police are investigating the attack. Mrs Hayes and her husband moved to the area last year with the intention of opening a riding stables. But she was shocked when she discovered their pony, Hope, with a bleeding wound on her nose. "It is awful, she is very frightened," she explained. Graffiti was sprayed on the stables "I just can't understand it - I'm from Cardiff, I was born there. My mother and father are both Welsh - what's going on? "This is a Welsh-speaking area and they might have mistaken our Cardiff accents for English, that is all I can think," she added. "This was an incredibly cruel thing to do. Hope is a beautiful, friendly animal and she was slashed across the face and mouth. "The motivation of these people was ridiculous and to take it out on an innocent horse was wicked. "Hope loved being around people but now I can't get near her. She is terrified." http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/7333435.stm So, as you can see, it's wise just to ignore anyone who tries to tell me that English nationalism is inherently racist in nature. Because, as is evidenced by the above, the Scots and the Welsh are for more racist and bigoted than the English are. England is a far more diverse place than both Scotland and Wales yet such racist attacks seem to be much rarer in England than they are in Scotland and Wales. it's not English nationalists who are racists. It's Scottish and Welsh nationalists. Britain has a long history of benefiting from skilled immigration. It's amusing that you think sneering at the English is an effective strategy when pretending - like the rest of the Left Wing Ruling Establishment - that UKIP are an inherently bigoted party. Smear them all you like. They aren't going away.
English people living in Scotland? Shock horror. I've merely referred to the obvious. The "no my daddy is bigger than yours" response won't wash. Never had a problem in Scotland. Just banter. Compare that to the likes of the EDL. Its a shame that you're not prepared to be honest
Having dealt with Reiver before I can safely say that he is himself a racist and intolerant to the views of other people and flirts with fascism. But looking at those photos; Jesus Christ. I used to live on the Welsh border. Most Welshmen though are actually great people and have good sense of humour but every now and again you do find some nationalist (*)(*)(*)(*)(*) who take exception just because you're from somewhere else. Actually we seem to be bullied by foreigners. On the border where I was, four Slovaks beat some kid to death just for the sake of it. Absolutely. It's incredible how they'll tolerate people from the rest of the world but their own countrymen. True but lets be honest we aren't getting skilled migrants doing the jobs that so many of us need. And ultimately times have changed and we can't keep using old habits.
Reiver amply demonstrates what is so loathesome and repulsive in the British left. he ignores clear examples of racism and just defines it as a red herring or just ignores it. This is why the far left is so inconsequential in the UK. they are an anomaly lead by hateful people.
You continue to come out with deliberate red herrings, merely informing me that you have no valid response. I've ignored no racism. I have, however, acknowledged the spectacular obvious: UKIP is a party full of bigots and/or ignorant. Still hoping for a UKIPer with a valid counter mind you. The "you're a Scot" effort was particularly poor!
Noting that racism is rife in the left is NOT a red herring. Noting that racsm is rife in Scotland is NOT a red herring. I'm no Ukipper.
First, racism isn't rife in the left. Its just a ridiculous claim. Racism goes hand in hand with the authoritarian personality, which is inconsistent with left wing thought. Second, I've referred to the history of the SNP and its previous 'courting' of white supremacy. That is history though. Comparing Scottish nationalism with English nationalism is an exercise in futility. Well done! Voting for right wing idiots isn't a cunning idea
Racism is certainly rife on the left. WHether its the condoning of antisemitism or the covering up of race hate crimes like that of Kris Donaldson the left is heavily implicated in racism. Authoritarianism is UTTERLY associated with leftists. From Mao, Stalin and Pol Pot to Todays nanny state social democrats the left is utterly determined to force its views on the populace as a whole. You think all that all main parties are right wing idiots
Hogwash. This is ignorance. The authoritarian personality is psychologically tested and it is a right wing phenomenon You're not making sense again.
UKIP's message is resonating with British voters because they are speaking to popular sovereignty and political self-determination against the EU cabal of bureaucrats and bankers.
Because without the EU, time will cease to move forward in Britain? The British can't have commercial and diplomatic ties with EU members without being under its political system?
They look to the past, like rambling about trade with the Commonwealth. Basic ignorance of how comparative advantage shapes trade
If British support for UKIP is any indication, then they are fed up with the EU and its constant attempts to undermine British political sovereignty. Firage's poignant rants against EU bureaucracy has been at the center of his platform, and it seems to be working well for him.
Polls show otherwise. Its nothing to do with the EU and the 'they want to strengthen our bananas' nonsense. That is why UKIP make more grunt about aspects such as immigration
UKIP doesn't seem opposed to trade and travel between Britain and EU, just political connection between the two. The US still trades with UK even though we have separate political systems, why can't Britain and EU do the same? I'd be happy to look at some of the polls.
They are in th 50s, thinking trade with the Commonwealth is the bees knees. They don't acknowledge, for example, that their insularity would ensure the destruction of the City of London as Europe's financial hub. There is no similarity. Given the nature of transport costs, kicking European integration into touch will have significantly negative effects. See the British Social Attitudes survey. Its available on-line. Have a looksee
Reiver as asual just redefines every term. Leftists are athoritarians. It self evident from their actions.
Yeah. How dare those medieval men in UKIP want Britain to take part in GLOBAL trade and with a GLOBAL organisation whose economy is outpacing that of the EU and whose economy overtook that of the Eurozone in size in 2012? Who do they think they are in wanting Britain to look outwards and to trade with economically vibrant countries like India and Australia when we could be trading with the economically moribund, inward-looking EU? Why trade with India and Australia when we could trade with France, the Sick Man of Europe? Britain should be qutting the EU and get back to concentrating on its Commonwealth ties. The Commonwealth's economy is to grow three times faster than that of the Eurozone over the next few years.
