Ukraine. Breakin news. Ceasefire from 18:00 on Friday 5 September

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  1. Woogs

    Woogs Well-Known Member

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    Jeannette, just to add to your previous post:

    The shake-up in the rebel command and leadership co-incides with the offensive. The new commanders are said to have been undergoing training along with the new recruits. The veterans did a superb job of holding on until these preparations were completed.
     
  2. Jeannette

    Jeannette Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Thanks for posting it.
     
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    Will people of Ukraine demand justice? Will be their government held accountable?
     
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    elf_ua Banned at Members Request

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    The May 1999-th :roll:
    Junta
     
  5. Jeannette

    Jeannette Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I doubt it, when it comes to money the Washington sociopaths and their friends, the criminal oligarchs of Ukraine will never give up..I mean it might make their god 'mammon' mad. :worship:

    Since the Ukrainian people are not willing to sacrifice their lives any more for Hillary Clinton's Monsanto and Kolomoisky's Burisma Holdings, they have found more mercenaries who are willing to do it for money, so while the Ukrainian boys didn't have water or food for a week, seven thousand Hungarians will make one thousand a day working for Greystone. I don't doubt they will suffer the same fate as the American and Polish ones did before them
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  6. Jeannette

    Jeannette Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    If you're talking about when Putin came into office, it wasn't a junta. Yeltsin asked him to take over and at first he really didn't want to because he was a minor player at the time and it was a big responsibility. But later he changed his mind in order to save Russia, which he did. Yeltsin asked him to take over as premier because a major scandal was about to break and his family would have been involved. He knew that Vladimir Putin was the only person which could be trusted. He is very well known for his integrity, so don't believe the things you read about him.

    I have an article by an American who worked for USAID during the Yeltsin years, and who knew him. I doubt if the American government or the media would allow her to speak today. We really don't have a free press today except on the Internet.
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    http://www.globalresearch.ca/who-is-vladimir-putin-why-does-the-us-government-hate-him/5381205


    Putin managed to handle the oligarchs in Russia by telling them that they cannot enter politics, and that they must pay their taxes. The ones who refused left. Since he had been a member of the KGB he had the apparatus in place to enforce what he was telling them. Maybe this is why the criminal oligarchs in Ukraine are so afraid Putin
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    Yeltsin was FORCED to ask this.
    And anyway - Pootin came illegally.
    Can you imagine that the president of America announce that he is tired and he's got to go (gotta leave it all behind) and assign some guy from his office instead?
    No. that's fantasctic.
    And that means that Pootin is JUNTA.
     
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    I'm concerned because the candy man is clearly doing this in order to avoid the outright defeat of his fascist fighters in the Azov Battalion. They are the most reliable (in a sense) fighters that Kiev has. Those fascists need to be defeated or else they will just cause more trouble again later on.
     
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    UN puts the casualty figures at around 2,600. I wouldn't be too surprised though if I read that 40,000 Ukrainian soldiers said "f- this" and quit the fight.
     
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    40,000 people in Ukraine HAVE NOT DIED. The death toll for all factions is just over 2,600. This of course doesn't count the hundreds of dead Russian soldiers since that information is covered up even from the soldiers wives and mothers. I have called Jeannette out on his flat out lies dozens of times and he refuses to even acknowledge it. Weeks ago he was saying the death toll was in the 40,000 so it's hilarious that after almost a month he's still saying the same number. What's even more funny us that I completely destroyed his argument when I posted a Russian Today article which confirmed the death toll (at the time it was just 2,100). I asked him several times why the holy Russian gospel news agency was reporting a different number then his "40,000" and he never once acknowledge the article.
     
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    It was when Strelkov left that a real army was formed with a headquarters, etc. What you wrote here answers a lot of question because it means that most of them are not Russian volunteers, although I'm sure there are many, but Ukrainians who either surrendered and joined the militia, or who ran into Russia so they wouldn't be conscripted by Kiev. This means the war will never really end since they're not going to be happy unless their part of Ukraine isn't freed as well.

    I find this similar to the situation in Syria, where Washington has been supporting the foreign terrorists against the Syrian people because of the oil pipes from Qatar and calling it democracy, while in Ukraine they are supporting foreign mercenaries because of shale gas against the Ukrainian people and calling it democracy. Lots of morality there. :disbelief:
     
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    Speaking of Syria, yesterday British PM Cameron said he didn't need to get Assad's permission to conduct air strikes in Syria because the Assad government was illegitimate due to its committing war crimes against his own people. So why does that logic not apply in Ukraine?

    From the Guardian:

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    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/sep/04/uk-launch-air-strikes-isis-syria-assad-support-pm

    Asked if he needed to make a pragmatic deal with Assad in the face of the greater Isis threat, he said: "In the past just simply saying 'my enemy's enemy is my friend' has led to all sorts of moral quagmires and difficulties. Assad has been part of the creation of Islamic State rather than being part of its answer."

    In terms of the legalities of air strikes and the need to be invited by a sovereign country to make such strikes he said "the Iraqi government was legitimate", but in Syria: "President Assad has committed war crimes on his own people and is therefore illegitimate. We would not do anything without moral or legal justification."

     
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    Who forced Yeltsin to ask Putin to become President? Certainly not the criminal oligarchs. They wouldn't want someone with Putin's integrity in charge...I mean after all he made them pay their taxes. They knew he was incorruptible. We had a similar situation when Nixon was impeached, and he asked Ford to take his place. Are you saying that someone forced Ford to become president?

    Now stop trying to compare someone like Poroshenko, who has been bombing and killing his own people in the Donbas without any remorse so he could ethnically cleanse it for Kolomoisky's gas company. And who has been sending boys to fight for it when he knows they will die, with someone like Vladimir Putin who has saved Russia from the oligarchs and the Western imperialists that stripped it of all its wealth. Aren't they doing the same thing to Ukraine? What a pity you don't have someone like Vladimir Putin in charge.

    Now take a look at their faces, especially the eyes since it's the mirror of the soul. How can you even compare the two?


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    KGB Agent mr. Pootin did it.
    When KGB agent forces the president to resign and to make this KGB agent the president' vice (illegal vice) - that means JUNTA.
     
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    I'll tell you why the same logic doesn't apply to Ukraine, or better yet I'll let Craig Roberts tell you. He was the economist who formulated U.S. policy during the Reagan years, and gave the world decades of prosperity:

    Warning to the World: Washington and its NATO & EU Vassals are Insane — Paul Craig Roberts
     
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    Looking at those pics, I see Sir Vladahad and Porky Pigstinko.

    I can't help it. I calls 'em as I sees 'em. :smile:
     
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    Jeannette Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Elf, who fills your mind up with these ridiculous things? Do you know that the Russians were going hungry during the Yeltsin years because the oligarchs had robbed Russia's wealth? Ukraine should be so lucky to have someone like Putin.
     
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    Indeed. There is a very good reason why Yeltsin was hated domestically but adored within the West and why the reverse is true in Putin's case.
     
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    .....and Pootin's Junta came and fed hungries.
    History knows such things.
     
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    Good grief you are working hard tonight

    That was so utterly sycophantic I think I'm going to vomit :aww:
     
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    Noo ti i dolboyob!:roflol: Sorry my bad student Russian.
     
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    you're trying to offence me, but this is nothing.
    Because you are with these guys
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    and this is much worse (for you)
     
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    Who believes NATO and EU?
     
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    they are believed much more than Kommrad Putin is.
     
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    Muammar Gaddafi believed.
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