Under Dutch and Danish pressure, EU hits Iran with sanctions after murder plots.....

Maybe they should watch the movie "Vice" as well........
that is the movie which tells us all about Cheney and his cohorts...not the other
one.......

 

Chicken soop helped us to overcome cold, it will surly help us against ebola.

 

It's not the truth in any other than the most vapid way.

Hah, who said that? I certainly didn't. You're arguing with a strawman.

When do we steal markets? I can think of a few examples where we forcefully opened markets, but not a single in which we "stole" one.

 

No, it isn't. The question is: Is American foreign policy decided by geopolitical power struggles, or profits for American firms? Your claim seems to be the latter, which is not a claim based in reality.

I don't know what makes you comfortable with just pretending I've said something that I haven't.

 

Just knock out their power already. Its solves everything. They can't make progress on their nuclear weapons without power and a day or two without power will lead to massive protests ala Egypt forcing the government to either leave town or pull a Tienemen sp? which would give us ample reason to start bombing the **** out of their capital buildings and leaders residences.

 

What good would any of this do? We would diplomatically isolate ourselves and risk shipments out of Hormuz, for what?

 

Preventing another NK. We dropped the ball with NK back in the 90s when they first started their program. Now we can't do anything but kiss their asses and hope they behave which is what Trump essentially did.

Iran is far more easy to deal with than NK because we don't have to deploy a single troops. Just knock out their infrastructure and let the entire country crumble. Their navy is a joke so if you are worried about that then just sink their ships first. I DO NOT WANT another rogue state with nuclear weapons. One is more than enough. Preventing Iran from getting nukes is the one single issue that I would be willing to start another ME war over, it is that important that we stop them.

 

I'm not worried about NK. They're diplomatically isolated, enjoying friendly relations with zero nations that actually mean anything to them.

They're a bit like Saddam Hussein: We really don't like them and they really don't like us, but it's kinda useful having them there.

Of course we would. Securing the Gulf would necessitate securing the coastline and Bahrain, which would go up in flames.

And they're not like NK in one significant fashion: They're not diplomatically isolated. Some kind of Iraq-in-the-90s approach to Iran won't work because the Americans would have a difficult time stopping supplies and weapons from Russia and China getting to Iran from Central Asia.

Wouldn't happen. They would unify and receive support from a number of important state actors. Chinese and Russian missile technology, along with the logistical problem of operating out of the Gulf, would make this war very costly.

Their navy is emphatically not a joke. Like the Russians and Chinese, the Iranians have the advantage of fighting a single predictable war at once. They won't be able to beat the Americans, but they can slow and make costly our operating out of the Gulf.

"Rogue state," another artifact of the so-called "Liberal Order" not long for this world.

Iran is not a "rogue state," it enjoys friendly relations with a large number of countries. That fact alone would make this war far more costly than it would be worth. We were able to dominate Iraq during the 90s because it was diplomatically isolated. The same is not true of Iran.

 

Both profits and geopolitical power struggles....because they are closely related... you need money to pay for your big military.... and don't pretend you were not preaching to me about how America was only trying to save the world with sanctions... go read what you posted

 

Only one can be the primary motivation for American actions. We both know which it is.

Yeah, money that international corporations aren't good at giving us.

I don't need to read it. My beliefs are consistent, and I know what I said. You missed my point, so I'll make it clearer. The fact that Europeans as well as Americans are nervous about Nordstream reveals that there are significant geopolitical motivations behind opposition to it.

 

ok that's nice... you go ahead and believe whatever you like... here is how it is

Sanctions on Nordstream 2 is for the sole purpose to

a) open Russian gas markets to the US (since US LNG is more expensive) (market manipulation)
b) weaken Russia financially... (geopolitical conflict)

The irony is America complain about China's unfair trading but this is unfair trading in the extreme

and

if you are still in denial (after already having read John Perkins' biography) about America's greed for resources, go and read up about the oil under Golan Heights...

Black gold under the Golan
https://www.economist.com/middle-east-and-africa/2015/11/07/black-gold-under-the-golan

the drilling rights belonging to Genie oil then check who sits on the board of Genie oil

https://genieoilgas.com/about-us/strategic-advisory-board/

Deniers like yourself are tools... for people like those on this board... you defend their right to rape and pillage so they can enrich themselves

 

Huh... strange that so many Europeans are also concerned about Nordstream if the entire purpose is to make money for the Americans...

...it's almost like this analysis doesn't make sense.

Okay... what about it?

Okay... what are you implying? Some Americans are foolishly dumping money into some insecure oil fields. Who cares?

 

Funny how Europeans dont care about Nordstream except those east of germany
nobody gives a **** in belgium, netherlands & co its only poland/ukraine and baltic states

 

Scandinavians, Italians, Brits, and Hungarians have also expressed concerns.

And you're not exactly harming my point.