Sharon didnt surrounded Sabra and Chatila, he commended the army that was in Beirut. Do you know that in the West Bank you have a lot of roads that cars with Israeli license plates, and Jews cant go throw them? only Arabs and a white and green license plates ( the white and green license plate are the PA lecense plates) But you know that Arabs in the West Bank and in Gaza prefer to live in Israel and not in the Palestinian state?
Turkey, Egypt, and Jordan do. Iran has followed the John Kerry model and recognized Israel before they didn't recognize Israel.
OMG - we've already been over that a few days ago on the Sharon thread. Extract :The Kahane Commission, an Israeli body convened to investigate the Sabra and Shatila mass murders, found Sharon to be complicit in the crimes, and he was fired by Prime Minister Begin as Defense Minister shortly after the report's release. Sharon was also a fraudster/scam artist involved in many crooked see my posts #745 and many others re Sabra + Chatilla massacre http://www.politicalforum.com/showthread.php?t=338786&page=75&p=1063511624#post1063511624 --- ll
I know that a Palestinian state dont have the space in Israel to be but the whole world started financial pressure against Israel because all the talking that you have right now between Israel and the PA so Netanyahu dont know how handle with pressure and he afraid. Where did I say that Israeli government fire him? Israeli government after all kind of organizations in Israel turned on pressure against the government (and part of that pressure was the 400K people rally), and because of that the Kahane Commission forced Isreali government to fired Sharon, but in the first place they didnt want to fired him. Read history please. Israeli Arabs want to stay in Israel AND the Arabs that live in the West Bank and in Gaza prfer to live in Israel and not in Arab state, that's from Palestinian organizations that made a poll in this subject.
unless you can provide a link to this poll that states that palestinians don't want their own state, I suggest you reconsider what is a laughable statement.
There you go: http://www.haaretz.com/news/diploma...r-be-citizens-of-israel-or-palestine-1.336758 http://www.jpost.com/National-News/E-Jlem-Arabs-would-prefer-Israel-over-Palestinian-state http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4050815,00.html http://www.debbieschlussel.com/31834/no-surprise-70-of-palestinians-prefer-israeli-rule/ Not so laughable now ah?
Actually even more so. Reading comprehension is extremely important when making a claim. East Jerusalem does not encompass the west bank or gaza, and 34% of a population is an awfully long way from a majority.
Yes, Israeli Arabs want to stay part of Israel. No, Arabs in the West Bank and Gaza want their own state.
AFAI can tell - Palestinians living within "Israel" would naturally wish the status quo to be maintained. Just as I might resent being governed by political scoundrels in Westminster /London ,) I would. even more resent /object to be totally governed by those SOB's in Brussels. ... Better the devil (evil b-***** ) you know . WOT ? ....
The number 34% is from the Arabs that live in East Jerusalem, the Arabs that live in that place not all of them have Israeli citizenship and have Arabs there that they are part of the Arabs in the West Bank. If you will click on the last link i gave you there, here it is again: http://www.debbieschlussel.com/31834...-israeli-rule/ If you will read what Debbie Schlussel wrote there you could see that from poll that came to determination that from all 100% Palestinians that you have in Israel, West Bank, Gaza, 70% from them would love to live under Israeli rule. PLEASE when you want links and i give you several of them, please click them all and read them all and not just the first 2 links that there mentioned just the Arabs that live in East Jerusalem. So please look at the links i gave here to see that is not true and even Arabs from the West Bank want to belong to Israel http://www.debbieschlussel.com/31834...-israeli-rule/ If you will read what Debbie Schlussel wrote there you could see that from poll that came to determination that from all 100% Palestinians that you have in Israel, West Bank, Gaza, 70% from them would love to live under Israeli rule.
You know that to see it you need to click the link? one more time: http://www.debbieschlussel.com/31834/no-surprise-70-of-palestinians-prefer-israeli-rule/ in the first paragraph you can read this:
Field work was conducted in November 2010 by a West Bank based Palestinian polling firm, the Palestinian Center for Public Opinion, headed by Dr. Nabil Kukali, using in-home, face-to-face interviews with a representative sample of 1,039 East Jerusalemites. The margin of error is 3%. this poll didn't ask any Palestinians in the West Bank or Gaza. it only asked Palestinians in East Jerusalem, who have been under Israeli rule for 47 years.
I'm sorry but I get a "page not found" from your link. which is not surprising because if that page actually said what you claim it did, she is out to lunch This is the place to go for palestinian polling info with a significant baseline that makes interesting reading: http://www.jmcc.org/polls.aspx I might recommend going to the "horse's mouth" about such things, like palestinian and israeli sources, instead of relying on an american conservative political internet blogger. It usually avoids the trap of being so grossly misinformed.
You want it from an Israeli sites? no problem! http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/.premium-1.567870 http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4239288,00.html http://www.danielpipes.org/2737/palestinians-who-cling-to-israel http://www.peaceforourtime.org.uk/page46.html this link is what the Palestinians think about Israel and about an Arab state in the West Bank. here one exemple from what Hamas supporter said to PA policemen: The man who said it, is living in the West Bank! here is what an Arab girl said in Jerusalem police station: And here what enother man in East Jerusalem said: Here what a man in Gaza said about if someone suggest him that an Israeli rule will be back in Gaza: WHAT I WROTE HERE IS FOR JONSA AND RONSTAR
Stuntman, I suggest you rapidly acquaint yourself with the difference between the WB/Gaza/east jerusalem and Israel. There is a difference between Israeli arab citizens and palestinian arabs under occupation. Your reference to galilee triangle poll is from 2001 and it also is asking the opinion of Israeli arabs. your anecdotal evidence is laughable. I have given you the results of LEGITIMATE palestinian public opinion polling, that CLEARLY indicates that you are completely wrong. so thanks for your emphatic reiteration of being rather foolishly wrong.
there is no poll, not one, that shows the Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza want to be part of Israel. sorry.
I know the difference between West Bank, Gaza, East Jerusalem and Israel. But if you dont know East jerusalem, that territory is inside of the West Bank, and you can look it up in every map you want, so if East Jerusalem is in the West Bank so how can it be different from the whole West Bank? its like the Israeli city, Gilo, Gilo its inside the territory of the West Bank, have Israeli rule and Gilo is refering as a settelment. As much as i know you have Arab, an Israeli Arab that refering themselves as Palestinians, also in the Galilee Triangle you have Arab that refering themselves as Palestinians. SO if you say you have a legitimate Poll that took place in the PALESTINIAN public, it means that the poll took place in every single area that you have Palestinians. from the Galilee Triangle to Gaza, and if this poll dont refering to the whole Palestinian public, so it means that anyone can take this poll seriously cause it is not refering to the whole palestinian public, and from what you said about it it isnt refering to the whole Palestinian public opinion, but refering to some Arabs, so this poll you gave me cant take it seriously. And one other thing: Your poll you gave me to look on is a poll for what solution Palestinians prefer, that poll is not about which state they prefer to live in. http://www.peaceforourtime.org.uk/page46.html In that link you can see what the Arabs feel about Israel.
you have GOT to me (*)(*)(*)(*)ing kidding me!!!!! do you really think the political and socio-economic, and security conditions in East Jerusalem, where most Arabs have Permanent Residency status, is the SAME as for the Arabs in the West Bank????????? you don't think there is any reason to believe there would be any difference in their political goals and desires???????????? lololol!!!!!!
Also the Israeli city Gilo that it is part of Jerusalem is referring as settlement (not by me but the world refering Gilo as a settlement), but if will visit Gilo and other settlements you will see that Gilo is not like other settlements, but it is not a reason from the world to call Gilo a settlement. Well i never wrote here that what is going on in East Jerusalem is like whats going on in Hebron is the same, BUT East Jerusalem according to all the maps and how East Jerusalem is treated from the world it is part of the West Bank, sorry to disappointing you, this is a fact. Just that you will know: 1. Habron is under Palestinian rule and East Jerusalem is not, that is why socio-economic East Jerusalem is different from other Arab cities in the West Bank. 2. In East Jerusalem and in each Arab city in the West Bank have police and law enforcement organizations
