UNITED OR DISUNITED AMERICA

Two highly intelligent replies. Un-skillful dodges. Sign of a Trump-hater.

 

I'm still trusting that the sane, Left and Right, VASTLY outnumber the nut-cases, Left and Right.

 

It's funny because Trump was supposedly elected to drain the swamp.

After 4 years, you make exactly the same observation as in 2016.

So either Trump is an incompetent or he himself is part of the problem or the swamp doesn't exist.

 

Then you remember the division. It wasn't just racial division, which was much worse than today. There was Vietnam, multiple assassinations, the Chicago Seven, Charles Manson, etc., etc., but also a huge cultural divide which can't be ignored.




We've moved on from hair length and drug use, but things don't look a whole lot different to me today, as far as the culture wars go, seen through a political lens. Each side's "thing" changes with the times, but their opposition to each other doesn't.

Everything else was much worse back then, as I'm hoping you'll agree.

Things are changing. Maybe too rapidly for some, but I see no need for concern.

 

I had to cut my answer short on was around for the 60's. I was and went through the riots of 66', 67, and 68 in Detroit. Back in those days Detroit was the murder Capital of the World. Today I guess Chicago or St. Louis might hold the title. I seen block after block get burned down and even today you can see the aftermath of what happens when chaos runs amok. Detroit use to be the 5th largest city in the world. After the riots , what business that was left moved away and no new business moved in except the drug trade and prostitution. What ever was salvageable was stripped by thieves. White flight took hold and left neighborhoods abandoned. The houses became targets for fires and destruction. The tax base had left and factories moved overseas. Pension Funds were raided and collapsed and the state had to take control of the city government.

I see a couple Senators try and work across the aisle like Chris Coons and Joe Manchin and Susan Collins, Ben Sass, and Mitt Romney. So all is not lost. We will see what the next election brings. If we still have the die-hards running the show it will be awhile for any fruitful advancement.

 

Is there a point you want to make?

I expect more out of the POTUS than childish nicknames. You have your bar, and I have mine.

 

Trumps advisors, RINOS, and establishment types did not do Trump well. It was like how dare someone who is not a politician become the Commander in Chief. Then again Trump didn't help himself by putting names on all of them.

I don't know if it is drainable but it is bigger all of us thought and the creatures that have had their section drained can live out of water and they are angry.

 

Yes, ironically, it was Gingrich's impeachment that stoked the political divide we see now. But political opponents were able to walk and chew gum at the same time, something severely lacking now.

 

Under estimation of the creatures that live in it and the violent nature of the beasts. Even St. George would know he met his match.

 

I absolutely believe there should be term limits at every level of government.

 

Should those ostriches be fighting against those protesters? Or should they be listening and doing what they can to make sure the message is heard?

 

Back in the 80's I thought we were turning a corner on race relations and yet we seem to taking a couple steps back. Homelessness is at a pandemic stage. What use to be a helping hand has turned into a demanding hand. To be a Patriot and believe in God is now considered to be racist or anti-social and lacking empathy.

 

Obviously, it's unthinkable for a Trumpist to consider that Trump could also be a creature of the so called swamp.

 

I'm not sure anyone knows what the message is. I quit listening as soon as the first building went up in smoke.

 

More like a lost soul who thought he was going to be a Mr. Smith goes to Washington but didn't realize the people around him were the Walking Dead and ready to pull him down

 

Trump is a victim.

 

I'll drink to that.

 

Easy prey would more be like it. If you have ever listened to him he is shocked by how many of his so called friends or people he thought he knew have tossed him under the bus.

 

I long for the years we were all united under President Obama. Of course that is sarcasm. As long as people want to assess blame instead of working on our problems we will continue to devour each other. America has been strong in its unity continuing to complain and offer no solutions is un-American.

 

And you can also see on Twitter how loyal he is.

 

Such as what?

 

What we are seeing today has been laying in wait for years. People who can't or won't lift themselves up have always taken to stoke dissatisfaction among others. Think of this as a sleeping midget who now has graves to dance on. History of civil unrest, pre-Trump

Carter - 9

Reagan - 4

GHW Bush - 6

Clinton - 8

GW Bush - 9

Obama - 30

• 2009 – Riots against BART Police shooting of Oscar Grant, January 7, 120 arrested, Oakland, California

• 2009 – Akron riots, March 14, 2009, 7 arrested; and July 2009, unknown number arrested, Akron, Ohio

• 2009 – 2009 G-20 Pittsburgh summit protests, Sept. 24-25, 193 arrested

• 2010 – Springfest riot, April 10, 200 police disperse crowd of 8,000 using tear gas, pepper spray, rubber bullets, and bean bag rounds, near the campus of James Madison University; dozens injured. 30–35 arrested; Harrisonburg, Virginia

• 2010 – Santa Cruz May Day riot, May 1, 250 rampage through downtown Santa Cruz attacking 18 businesses, causing an estimated $100,000 in damages. 1 arrested. Santa Cruz, California

• 2010 – Oakland protest riot, November 5, Police made more than 150 arrests as a crowd broke windows and knocked down fences, protesting sentence of former BART officer in shooting of Oscar Grant on New Years Day 2009; see BART Police shooting of Oscar Grant. Oakland, California

• 2011 – Occupy Wall Street (Brooklyn Bridge protests). Demonstrators blocked the bridge and more than 700 people were arrested. New York, New York

• 2011 – Occupy Wall Street Oakland protests riots. October. Protesters shattered windows, set fires, and plastered buildings with graffiti. Riot police fired heavy amounts of tear gas on the protesters.

• 2012 – NATO 2012 Chicago Summit, May. Conflict between riot police and protesters. Dozens of demonstrators clubbed and arrested.

• 2012 – Anaheim police shooting and protests, July 28. Violence erupted after multiple shootings in the neighborhood by police that included unarmed Manuel Diaz. 24 people were arrested

• 2013 – Flatbush Riots, March 11, Riots in Brooklyn, New York after the death of Kimani Gray who was shot and killed by NYPD

• 2014 – Bundy Standoff, April 5–May, an armed confrontation between supporters of cattle rancher Cliven Bundy and law enforcement following a 21-year legal dispute in which the United States Bureau of Land Management (BLM) obtained court orders directing Bundy to pay over $1 million in withheld grazing fees for Bundy's use of federally-owned land adjacent to Bundy's ranch in southeastern Nevada.

• 2014 – Ferguson unrest, Ferguson and St. Louis, Missouri, August 10 and November 24. Following the shooting death of Michael Brown by a Ferguson police officer, protests erupt in the streets. Police respond with riot gear, tear gas, sound canons, police dogs, concussion grenades, rubber bullets, pepper balls, wooden bullets, beanbag rounds, tasers, pepper spray, and armored vehicles. Unrest occurred continuously for weeks in August, and sporadically through December, with nearly daily protests throughout the period and rioting following the non-indictment announcement on Nov 24. Unrest again occurred on the one year anniversary in August 2015, with dozens of arrests.

• 2014 – St. Louis, Missouri - October 8, police vehicle windows broken as rage at the killing of Vonderrit Myers Jr. Protests continued for days afterward, during the nearby and ongoing Ferguson Unrest.

• 2014 – New York, New York, and Berkeley, California – After prosecutors and a grand jury refused to indict a police officer in the death of Eric Garner, protests erupted in New York City and other cities.

• 2014 Oakland riots, November–December, A series of riots and civil disturbances that took place in Oakland and the surrounding area, in reaction to the events involving the Shooting of Michael Brown and later, the death of Eric Garner, Oakland, California

• 2014 – Berkeley, Missouri, December 23–24. Antonio Martin is shot to death by police in a St. Louis suburb nearby to Ferguson, leading to violent conflict with police, and looting.

• 2015 – 2015 Baltimore protests, April 25–28. Days of protests break out following the death of Freddie Gray while in police custody. 34 people are arrested and 15 Officers injured after rioting and looting break out. Gray's funeral was held on April 27 and followed by further protests and looting. Governor Hogan had preemptively activated the Maryland National Guard, while the Maryland State Police had activated at least 500 officers.

• 2015 – St. Louis, Missouri, August 19. Conflict with police following fatal shooting by St. Louis police officers of black teenager Mansur Ball-Bey leads to deployment of tear gas then burned car, buildings, and looting. Protests continue in subsequent days with tensions remaining high.

• 2016 – Occupation of the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge, January–February 2016. 1 killed and several dozen arrested. Malheur National Wildlife Refuge, Oregon

• 2016 – 2016 Donald Trump Chicago rally protest, March 11. Five people arrested and two police officers injured during a demonstration at the UIC Pavilion.

• 2016 – Democracy Spring rally in April. March to Washington D.C. and sit-ins lead to arrests.

• 2016 – 2016 Sacramento riot, June 26, A confrontation between white nationalists and left-wing counter protesters at the California State Capitol. Ten people were hospitalized for stabbing and laceration wounds.

• 2016 – Widespread protests erupt in response to two deaths at the hands of police, the Shooting of Alton Sterling and shooting of Philando Castile. At least 261 people were arrested in protests in New York City, Chicago, St. Paul, Baton Rouge, and other cities.

• 2016 – 2016 Milwaukee riots, Sherman Park, August 13–15. Milwaukee, Wisconsin.

• 2016 – 2016 Charlotte riot, September 20–21, Protests and riots break out in response to the shooting of Keith Lamont Scott by a Charlotte police officer.

• 2016 – Dakota Access Pipeline protests, 411 protesters arrested. Multiple skirmishes with police, with vehicles, hay bales, and tires set on fire.

• 2016 – Anti-Trump protests, November 9–27. As a result of Donald Trump elected as 45th President of the U.S., thousands protested across twenty-five American cities, and unrest broke out in downtown Oakland, California, and Portland, Oregon. In Oakland, over 40 fires started and police officers were injured.

 

It's the above that got Trump elected. Now we want Trump to put a stop to it.

 

When it comes to Federal property The President can put a stop to it. It is up to the states to police themselves but the resources are there for Federal aid. If the people are not demanding action in their individual states it's on them.

 

Do you think that if the name was Donald Trump Jr. or Eric Trump instead of Hunter that the the main street media would be covering the story differently?