United States Led Entire World In Reducing CO2 Emissions In 2019

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    Poor radical leftie Trump haters must be so conflicted right now ---- cheer? hate? cheer? hate? omgeee it's so confusing to be a Trump hater in the face of continuous good news!!!!!!! :angered::frustrated::angered:
     
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    Waiting for the left to accuse Trump of starving trees and plants.
     
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    Which trump admin policies do y’all believe contributed to this decline?
    I would love to read about them — to give credit when credit is due.
     
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    wait? I thought we were the bad guys??
     
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    It’s not about what he did do. It’s what he’s been accused of. He was supposed to destroy the environment. What the frack happened?

    He was supposed to take way women’s rights and put Black people back in virtual chains. Was supposed to hurt LGBTQXYZ and take away their rights too. Remember all these people being afraid for their daughters because he was elected.
     
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    So our factories are still being shipped to where the labor in sweat shops enrich our elites?
     
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    So, you agree that we don't need to be part of the Paris Climate agreement? Good to know.
     
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    They'll just ignore.
     
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    Isn't the LW narrative that Trump is destroying the environment?
     
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    You do realize that a negative reduction is an increase. Math is such a bitch.

    And the most hilarious part of the actual reduction of 2.9% is that the reduction is due to less coal despite Trump’s supposed claim to saving the coal industry which hadn’t happened. So to put it simply the reduction happened because of economics and had nothing to do with Trumpie.
     
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    Not really. Would you prefer an increase in energy related emissions?

    "The United States led the entire world in reducing CO2 emissions last year while also experiencing solid economic growth, according to a newly released report.

    The United States saw the largest decline in energy-related CO2 emissions in 2019 on a country basis – a fall of 140 Mt, or 2.9%, to 4.8 Gt,” The International Energy Agency (IEA) reported on Tuesday. “US emissions are now down almost 1 Gt from their peak in the year 2000, the largest absolute decline by any country over that period.”

    The IEA noted that 80% of the increase in CO2 emissions came from Asia and that China and India both contributed significantly to the increase."
     
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    Natural gas instead of coal is the main factor.


    “A 15% reduction in the use of coal for power generation underpinned the decline in overall US emissions in 2019,” the IEA continued. “Coal-fired power plants faced even stronger competition from natural gas-fired generation, with benchmark gas prices an average of 45% lower than 2018 levels. As a result, gas increased its share in electricity generation to a record high of 37%.
     
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    From the article: "The United States led the entire world in reducing CO2 emissions last year while also experiencing solid economic growth, according to a newly released report.

    “The United States saw the largest decline in energy-related CO2emissions in 2019 on a country basis – a fall of 140 Mt, or 2.9%, to 4.8 Gt,” The International Energy Agency (IEA) reported on Tuesday."


    Reading is such a bitch. ROFL.
     
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    just pointing out that a negative reduction is an actual increase. Simple math most learned in the seventh grade. The actual reduction was 2.9% not -2.9%.
     
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    Try to understand. The reduction was 2.9% not -2.9%. A negative of a negative is a positive. Probably sixth grade if not earlier.
     
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    The credit id due to Trump’s failure to bring back the coal industry as he promised. Oh, and the reduction was from the year 2000 so probably mostly Obama.
     
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    This is common news at this point. The world knows this, even our critics know this. The problem is that America is always supposed to do more than everybody else, sacrifice more than everybody else, and is not allowed to have the same policies and rules as everybody else. And even when we do everything better than everybody else we are still criticized for not doing more.

    Without the Paris Agreement the US still leads the world in CO2 reduction, however, since we are America we are still the bad guys while other nations such as China and India are allowed to run amok and ignore all rules that get in their way of economic growth. And those 200 odd Paris Climate nations all conveniently ignore them, but fuss at us, for some reason....

    As I've said before, we obviously don't need the Paris Agreement to once again do better than everybody else at reducing our emissions per capita. So what benefit is it to us to restrict ourselves more with this Agreement thing?

    How about the rest of the planet catches up to the Americans when it comes to saving OUR planet, and then we'll agree to talk to you about climate change stuff? Deal? Last I heard we don't have time to dilly dally around. The world will become irreversibly screwed in about a decade or so. What is the rest of the planet waiting for? It's not like America is it's own planet with our own air supply over here. We're all gonna die because the rest of the world won't match our emissions reductions in a timely manner. How selfish of the Paris Climate nations to kill us all due to incompetence and laziness.

    Shame on them. And shame of them for sitting there twiddling their thumbs doing half of what we are doing to save the planet then simultaneously expecting us to do even more. The damn thing is called the PARIS climate agreement, why isn't France leading the world in emissions reduction per capita? Don't worry, America will continue leading the way while allowing the rest of the world to cast stones at us like they always do for whatever reason.
     
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    Well then point this out to Greta Thunberg.
    The IEA noted that 80% of the increase in CO2 emissions came from Asia and that China and India both contributed significantly to the increase. Japan, the EU and the US saw significant declines.
     
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    What makes you think any one administration deserves the credit? in 99% of cases climate change policies impacts are like steering an ocean liner. Anything one admin does (good or bad) will take years to wash through the system and have a measurable impact. In any case most of the impact will be due to the uptake of carbon neutral (solar and wind) power and the run down in coal fired power stations and those are large cost based business decisions not policy initiated ones. And lets not forget that policy decisions by individual states also have a big impact

    So no Trump doesn't get all the credit (and neither does Obama).

    Finally it was a global phenomena in 2019 which means most industrialized nations were on the same trend line as the US.
     
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    Has nothing to do with my point. Thanks for playing though!
     
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    Yup.

    More than 80% of the items in hospital medical supply and in pharmacies are produced in China. If China cut the US off medicine and healthcare would function very badly, or barely function in this country.

    The elites would always get care of course, but average people wouldn't.

    Globalism is very dangerous to the USA.
     
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    I never said that nor is that is what is being discussed. Again, Which trump admin policies do y’all believe contributed to this decline?
    I would love to read about them — to give credit when credit is due.

    Yeh, don’t care.
    Again, Which trump admin policies do y’all believe contributed to this decline?
    I would love to read about them — to give credit when credit is due.
     
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    I am not informed on it so I don’t have an opinion tbh.

    Which trump admin policies do y’all believe contributed to this decline?
    I would love to read about them — to give credit when credit is due.
     

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