Universal Healthcare

I'm pretty sure they do. If you don't get health insurance through your employer, you easily pay a few hundred per month, which is a few thousand per year.

 

Paranoias like 21st century Venezuela.....yeah, I know you're "enlightened. Socialism only hasn't worked because the "right people" haven't tried it yet. You could start a business if you wanted to. AND OWN IT!

 

Yeah and my medicare is costing me more than a thousand a year.

 

Yes, you can avoid taxes by breaking the law. However, don't set foot back on American soil. I don't think a large percent of all wealthy people are doing this.

 

I agree that if the tax rate is 25% - and one person makes 1000 and another makes 2000 - the one making 2000 will pay double the taxes of the first. This however does not directly translate to healthcare as that money will go into the general pot. Under Universal healthcare - each individual pays (out of pocket) the same. (sometimes nothing - sometimes a small annual fee that is the same for all).

It is not like two people show up at the hospital for a band-aid .. and one person is charged more than the other. Both have already paid what they will pay into the system.

 

False dichotomy.
Logic fail

 

It goes into the general pot, but it most certainly comes out of the citizen pocket in the form of increased tax bill. Why should mine increase double yours, to fund identical services, if I make twice your income?

If you neglect to account for the disparity in increased tax liability

People need toilet paper.
Should I pay double as well?

 

There are reasons why rich folks should pay more in tax than poor folks - the first being that if we relied on the poor to pay the tax bill - we would have no roads - infrastructure - police - military and so on.

The Rich want these things - and utilize them more and benefit more from these things than the poor - so they should pay more.

 

He’s correct. I have the same experience and verification from hospital owners and CEO’s I know personally.

 

Do you ever get the feeling they’re just after your money?

 

But we are talking about healthcare which we fund without taxes now and is supposed to get cheaper anyway.

 

We already have different tax rates between states and differing level of social services between states, so I'm not sure about your thesis. If correct, I would assume a massive movement of poor and working poor people from States that didn't adopt the Medicare expansion of Obamacare to States that did. I've just not read of any such mass movement.

 

I am talking about the Pot - of which healthcare is a part. You cant talk about one " in the context you are describing" without talking about the other. They are interconnected.

Neither you nor I get to choose how Gov't allocates that pot. Perhaps you don't have any kids and don't think you should have to pay school tax. We as individuals do not get to make that choice.

The question is then - should those tax dollars be used to fund healthcare. There is no "one pays more and one less" - no one pays any more or any less ... its a Gov't funded program and/or set price. Like a toll on a road where everyone pays the same to cross.

Or the Police for example - property tax on bigger houses is higher - should these people fund the Police more ? This is an equally flawed question because these people are not funding the police more .. or anything else more.. sans the basic ratio.

The question is "Should we have police" - is that a good allocation for tax dollars.

If you want to address the question of "should the rich pay more taxes" - that is a separate question.

 

Here's my suggestion, Mr Allen. Let's expand Medicare in small increments, raising the necessary taxes as we go.

As I'm sure you know, Medicare in the present doesn't cover everything. Far from it. Most seniors by an Advantage Plan from a private insurer to supplement the Medicare coverage.

So why don't we suggest that our present Medicare program for seniors be funded to give free medical care to our seniors 65+. This would cover everything - hospitals, services, vision, dental, and pharma. We would have to raise taxes to do it. Let's give the taxpayer and the economy some time to adjust to this change. Besides, who better to take care of than our parents and grandparents? Most people don't mind sacrificing for their parents and grandparents well-being.

After a few years, let's consider bringing in the 55+ people. Let's look at what that costs and how we can raise the money. How important would it be to a 55 year old to no longer have to buy medical insurance as they prepare for retirement? This could be thought of as one of the few advantages of growing older, and again, helping our parents and grandparents.

The key to these preliminary steps is that we, the people, are willing to pay for it. No red ink. No deficit spending.

Now think about the politics of it. Let's say you're a Republican in Congress .... How do you oppose bringing free health care to our seniors? Even more true for Democrats. I think, politically, politicians on both sides of the aisle would have a very hard time voting against these ideas.

After a few years, we could consider bringing in (and paying for in full) another age demographic.

So there's my suggestion, Mr Allen.

 

like social security and medicar

This is so silly to think that people have bad health habits because they have healthcare. When you’re very poor you tend to eat lots of inexpensive food like rice and pasta which are fattening. But Robert has to defend the businesses because of course they’re not greedy even though their CEOs make millions. You learn about people by the side of the argument they defend.
Maybe if people don’t follow this code of healthy eating we should deny them healthcare. (Sarcasm alert)

 

So slowly turning up the temperature on the frog..

Hell no. It's got to be funded through spending cuts in other areas

 

So are you saying ss and Medicare are messed up?

On healthy eating, I grew up dirt poor and ate healthier than I do now. Money is a complete cop out. If healthy eating is a priority, it’s easily accomplished no matter your income.

I spent most of Sunday working to grow my own healthy food. Why do I want to pay for insulin for the fat a** that sat on the couch drinking beer all day? If you want to enable bad behavior have at it. Some of us aren’t into that.

 

You don't need a state to do it. We already have Medicare to prove it.

 

what is the conservative plan? Is it the fantastic one the Trump promised you when he got rid of Obamacare? LOL so the government never does anything right… Too bad you hate your country

pssst. I can sell you one for $10

 

So are you saying ss and Medicare are messed up?

On healthy eating, I grew up dirt poor and ate healthier than I do now. Money is a complete cop out. If healthy eating is a priority, it’s easily accomplished no matter your income.

I spent most of Sunday working to grow my own healthy food. Why do I want to pay for insulin for the fat a** that sat on the couch drinking beer all day? If you want to enable bad behavior have at it. Some of us aren’t into that.

 

You really believe that hiring someone to do the billing in your office is the biggest single cost? Sounds like your doctor doesn’t like that he can’t charge exorbitant rates

 

Actually it's as many as three or four people...

 

Some Socialism has worked. I like public schools that are free. I like the infrastructure. I like cops and firefighters. I like public roads. That’s socialism . No one is telling you you can’t start a business and own it. The only people that believe there are people who are easily manipulated by fear and Trump sure knows how to do that

 

So slowly turning up the temperature on the frog..

Hell no. It's got to be funded through spending cuts in other areas

 

If your Dr needs four people to handle his/her billing That means the doctor has to have probably more than a 1000 patients. Perhaps s/he should li it the practice and not be so greedy

 

Again you have no idea what the hell you're talking about. There are books now used for college courses in medical billing. Why? Because if you get the paper work wrong you don't get paid. And gets more complicated every time the next volume of the federal register comes out.

 

'you didn't build that'.

Public schools are funded via local taxation. To you, I guess that is 'free', since there is no acknowledgement of where those funds come from.

You are conflating societal pools, and socialism. Socialism is not based on people having a say in what their money is spent on, but a societal pool is. You need to do some reading.

 

How does Medicare prove it?