US Crime Rate Down

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  1. Doug_yvr

    Doug_yvr Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    This will come as a shock to anyone trying to prove immigrants are responsible for increase in crimes (yeah I'm looking at you Donald). In the report the FBI shows 700,000 arrests for marijuana which is a ridiculous waste of resources.

    Since Obama gets blamed when crime goes up he should get the credit for the reduction right?
     
  2. Dutch

    Dutch Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Not immigrants, Illigal Aliens. And without even looking into statistics, Illegal Aliens are responsible for disproportionate share of crimes committed in United States. no Illigal Aliens, less crime.

    Doh...
     
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    All you guys need to do now is get the obesity rate down as well......
     
  4. Doug_yvr

    Doug_yvr Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You have more illegal immigrants and crime has gone down.
    Doh...
     
  5. Dutch

    Dutch Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Not within Illegal Aliens group; they cause more crime than ever. Doh...
     
  6. Doug_yvr

    Doug_yvr Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Apparently they don't as the stats reveal. Maybe you should let more of them in so crime goes down even more.

     
  7. Dutch

    Dutch Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    "A report issued by the liberal Migration Policy Institute (MPI) further shreds Chuck Todd’s assertion on NBC’s “Meet The Press” last Sunday that he and his staff, “couldn’t find a single study that links violent crime and immigration.”

    Tucked inside a report about President Obama’s new amnesty is the estimation from this liberal think tank there are 820,000 illegal aliens in the United States with criminal convictions, including 690,000 illegal aliens currently residing on U.S. soil who have been convicted of a felony or “serious” misdemeanor.

    The 820,000 figure is not an estimation of total crimes committed by illegal immigrants—which would be a much higher number—but only those illegal aliens successfully identified, arrested, tried, and convicted.

    Combined with other statistical data points, however, the 820,000 figure gives us a way to examine the scope of total illegal alien crime. Even conservative assumptions produce harrowing conclusions, and demonstrate that there are likely millions of American victims of illegal alien predators"

    http://www.breitbart.com/big-govern...reveals-nationwide-illegal-alien-crime-spree/

    And you want more of them here, why? Don't you love America?

    It is also worth remembering, none of them should be here in the first place.
     
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    Breitbart isn't a legitimate news source
     
  9. Doug_yvr

    Doug_yvr Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Bad stats - using the word 'likely' is an indication of invalid data or 'guessing'. Try something with hard numbers.

    There are no statistics showing a positive correlation between immigrants and crime. None. Proper studies show an inverse correlation.
     
  10. Dutch

    Dutch Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Of course they are, and they quote liberal Migration Policy Institute (MPI)

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    Again, not immigrants. Illegal Aliens. And there are plenty. Just recently we had a revelation that the Governmental agencies are actually trying to hide crime statistics from Illegal Aliens, 'cos they make government look bad
     
  11. Doug_yvr

    Doug_yvr Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    So now you're claiming no statistics are evidence of guilt.

    As I've shown in good studies I linked, all immigrants including illegals commit fewer crimes than native born Americans.
     
  12. Dutch

    Dutch Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I just don't know what you're trying to prove, that Illegal Aliens as a group cause no troubles and the crimes, attributing to Illegal Aliens are declining and more Illegal Aliens should thus be let in?

    "The overall perspective of the criminal behavior of illegal aliens is grim. In a 2007 Government Accountability Office study of 55,322 illegal aliens, analysts discovered that they were arrested at least a total of 459,614 times, averaging about eight arrests per illegal alien: 70 percent had between two and 10 arrests, and 26 percent (about 15,000) had 11 or more arrests. Drug or immigration offenses accounted for 45 percent of all offenses, and approximately 12 percent (over 6,600 illegal aliens) were arrested for violent offenses such as murder, robbery, assault, and sex-related crimes.

    An FBI crime study also shows heavy illegal alien involvement in criminal activity revealed these statistics:

    75 percent of those on the most wanted criminals list in Los Angeles, Phoenix and Albuquerque are illegal aliens.
    One quarter of all inmates in California detention centers are Mexican nationals, as are more than 40 percent of all inmates in Arizona and 48 percent in New Mexico jails.
    Over 53 percent of all investigated burglaries reported in California, New Mexico, Nevada, Arizona, and Texas are perpetrated by illegal aliens.
    63 percent of cited drivers in Arizona have no license, no insurance and no registration for the vehicle. Of that number, 97 percent are illegal aliens. 66 percent of cited drivers in New Mexico have no license, no insurance and no registration for the vehicle. Of that 66 percent, 98 percent are illegal aliens.

    http://www.constitutionparty.com/illegal-alien-crime-and-violence-by-the-numbers-were-all-victims/
     
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    Funny how their 'studies' leave out the most pertinent information.
     
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    HMMM........for your consideration and thought.....
    "There are a number of reasons why. A large part of the reason is that the overwhelming majority of the MSM generally believe that illegal immigration is a "victimless crime" and, as such, it is not worthy to do any real reporting on. Some more is due to the fact that illegal aliens are often silent on family violence and afraid to report crime within their communities leaving much of the crime totally unreported. It is also due to the fact that the MSM rarely make any distinction between crimes committed by US citizen perpetrators and illegal alien perpetrators. In fact, they seem to go out of their way to not let us know. Then too, the FBI and Justice Dept. just don't track it."
    http://www.usillegalaliens.com/impacts_of_illegal_immigration_crime.html
    AND
    Since many illegals come from countries where the police are usually corrupt, inept and $$$$ driven to do anything, most immigrants, illegal or otherwise often shy away from the US police. This has been true of immigrants, illegal or not, from the time immigrants hit the shores of the USA (Irish, German....etc). Of course, history doesn't seem to be your "cup of tea"......
    http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/09/1...frightening-toll-illegal-immigrant-criminals/
    <Fox news doesn't count....huh (facepalm)>
    By the way.......ILLEGAL immigrants committed a crime just being here. Same as ANY other country in the world. Bet you already knew that....huh?
     
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    Hotdogr Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Well, he has been a great firearm salesman since he's been in office, what with his constant harping about more gun laws... so yeah, I'll credit him for that. ;)
     
  16. Doug_yvr

    Doug_yvr Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Not that they are no trouble, but that they commit fewer crimes than native-born Americans.

    See above, regardless of the crimes committed by illegal aliens or what stats you want to cherry pick from what jails or driving infractions (and boy are you cherry picking!), they commit fewer crimes than native-born Americans, period.
     
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    There are still many people who think marijuana is dangerous and should remain criminalized.

    Violent crime is a better metric, and violent crime has steadily decreased sine the mid 90s despite the 'wave' of immigration.

    It's a one-way street.
     
  18. Dutch

    Dutch Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    *shrug I keep posting data showing Illegal Aliens disproportionate share of crime and you keep dismissing it. So be it.
     
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    Really

    http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/daily/2015/07/10/report_proves_trump_right_on_illegal_alien_crime_numbers


    The reason the crime rate is down is that gun ownership is at all time highs.
     
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    well I hear you saying this report proves crime is down... unfortunately I live in one of the cities setting a new homicide record, stolen car record, and all sorts of burglary, theft, and assault records... I guess Milwaukee didn't get the message... cause we seem to be breaking new records in the other direction this year... funny though how not too long ago they were trying to prove crime was down in this city, by cherry picking the few categories where it did decrease, and leaving out all the categories where the dramatic rise has blown up their factual data... see the thing with data is, you can use it to prove almost anything, in fact you often can use the same data to counter the argument just made to support it... funny how that works out...

    P.S. why are you using 2014 data to show the trending results of whats happening in 2015... are you trying to say because 2014 was better than 2009, clearly nothing thats happening in 2015 is really happening? I mean what a silly statement to make, look at the data they have for 2015, that shows we're far ahead of the data in 2014... wouldn't that be a more accurate picture about whats happening TODAY... not to get all nit picking, but geezus...

    [video=youtube;Supji8wGVyc]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Supji8wGVyc[/video]
     
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    and almost 14% of students in american schools were not born in this country... now sure some of them are given legal visas to come study here, but what would that number be if we got rid of all the illegals we're paying on average $11,000 plus a year to educate... you know I bet if we got rid of all the illegals, we could afford to give that $11,000 to kids who want more education, instead of spending it on illegals... or maybe we could just stop spending so much, either way, we would have a choice, spend that on our own kids, or keep it in our pockets...
     
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    see the problem with your "facts" using statistical proof... is most illegals, don't report crimes against them... often done by other illegals... because they are afraid it will mean dealing with the police, which means they will be questioned about their citizenship, which means they could be separated from their families... you know thats the whole reason why sanctuary cities came to be, claiming this would solve all those awful hidden crimes from the shadows of illegals...

    so when you want to use your statistics as beyond refute proof, you should really factor in the claims they made about crimes against illegals not being counted because they aren't safe to ask for help... so the "disproportionate theory is blown" stance you're taking, is actually quite the opposite once we include reality in the equation... problem is, we won't know truly how bad the issue is, because I question the estimates they used back when they were proposing sanctuary cities and laws for crime... because if they were accurate, it would mean millions of more crimes committed by illegals against illegals who know they won't call 911...

    so if we add millions more into the picture, how does that adjust your numbers...

    P.S. hehe I love google sometimes... here is an awesome paper clipping from a real live newspaper back in 1995... and there are literally millions of stories and articles on google about this very subject... millions... dangit all, I guess the link is being rejected now... lets try another link...

    https://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=932&dat=19950409&id=O6JPAAAAIBAJ&sjid=QlMDAAAAIBAJ&pg=4839,1355664&hl=en

    http://www.bostonmagazine.com/2010/11/crimes-against-illegal-immigrants/

    so 90% of illegal women in this study cited sexual crimes against them... how on earth does ANY group ever report a 90% rate of crime against them... and that just ONE category of crime... and you know who commits the vast number of those crimes against illegals, other illegals... mindblown booommmmmmm
     
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    You think the load of rubbish you just posted above is a fact?
     
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    The crime rate has sky rocketed in California but nobody is blaming Obama, they are blaming Jerry Brown.
     
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    Most people are too poor to buy guns.
     

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