The United States Government could in very short time simply meet with a number of U.S. Corporations and tell them if they were to build the multiple number of Factories they intended to build in Vietnam and other Southeast Asia Nations and instead build them in the Ukraine and if such Corps. did this they would receive a much lower taxes upon any goods sent back to the U.S. from those U.S. Corporate Owned Ukrainian Factories....those U.S. Corps. would build their factories in the Ukraine in a FLASH. This would represent a TINY overall investment into the Ukraine by a $17.7 Trillion U.S. Economy but a $5 to $15 BILLION investment into the Ukraine could GREATLY BENEFIT he Ukrainian People as such assembly line and factory jobs are jobs that average American's will no longer do. Such American Investment would mean many jobs for Ukrainian's and who knows....if it works out many other U.S. Corporations might also set up Assembly Line Manufacturing in the Ukraine. As example decades ago when the Chinese Economy was a dismal mess....many U.S. Corporations set up shop in China and many still are there as the Chinese LEARNED from watching the STREAMLINED, HIGHLY EFFICIENT AND PROFITABLE WAY that U.S. Businesses such as NIKE....MCDONALDS, PEPSI COLA, KENTUCKY FRIED CHICKEN....which by the way is an American Fast Food Chain that is ABSOLUTELY LOVED by the Chinese....and other such American Companies.....that the Chinese watched and learned from and copied. The Chinese took the American and British Corporate Business Model and applied it into their Economic Planning and just look how well it has done. The Ukrainian's could benefit just as well. Russia started to do this as there exists MANY American Corporations doing business in Russia but PUTIN made the ego driven mistake of halting large scale Russian/American Development Plans. No one and I mean NO ONE....is better at planning development and building infrastructure than the United States. We were willing to work as PARTNERS with Russia and help Russia develop the entire Siberian area starting 11 years ago...but Putin halted the plan. Putin told Russian's that they did not need the United States and that Russia would develop and build the Siberian Infrastructure necessary to exploit Siberian Natural Gas and Oil Resources. 11 Years later and there is LESS Natural Gas and Oil flowing from Siberia in 2014 that there was in 2003!!!! The Russian Economy is in shambles and Putin is trying to play games that could result in Heavy Economic Sanctions being placed upon Russia by the U.S. and Europe. The FACTS are that at this point the best thing that Putin could do is get down on his knees and start KISSING ASS because we and Europe are currently implementing a plan to replace all Russian Energy Supplies sent to Europe with other sources. When that plan is over Europe will no longer need Oil and Gas from Russia and given that Putin played his...I WILL CUT OFF RUSSIAN GAS AND OIL IF YOU APPLY SANCTIONS...card....Europe will never buy large amounts of Russian Oil and Gas again. AboveAlpha
This is exactly what I call an ultimatum. A list of demands to Ukraine... What I have with you is a negotiation. I bring the arguments. You bring your estimation of my argument. Maybe the quality of the negotiation is not thar high and would be much better if you explained your point with a logically sequenced text. But still it is a negotiation. A positive. Worth doing. But if You would tell now that in order not to be delusional I need to - agree that EU is not pursuing its economic aims - agree that Ukraine will benefit from giving up its market to foreign goods without getting anything in return - agree that... - ... And once I do all of that maybe you will reconsider your estimation. This is exactly an approach of a 'civilized westerner' towards Russia or Ukraine. For some reason you feel fine continuing clonisation policy when a barbarian would pay you gold in exchange for necklaces made of glass.
Noooo, its an ultimatum of the Europeans NOT to sign. Nonsense. For instance, the EU insisted that the Ukraine release political prisoners, or the EU threatened to NOT SIGN the agreement that Yanukovych was advocating unless they did so. This isn't colonization.
Obama aska the same corporations to place something in US to reduce the unemplyement... And so for the best reduction of unemployment was change of statistics rules. So, I am not against of such a move from the side of Obama. If I see ukrainians not as bankrupts but as well-to-do citizens of a democratic country I would be delighted and grateful to USA, because this way we could save some money without the risk of their starvation. If average american agrees - it will be a great move from their side. I would pray for their health then right after an eveyday prayer for russian army and state... Chinese case is unique, but I agree that they not only presented their cheap and industrious labour force without that much of sicial protection as was needed by western corporations, but also found the way how to organise it better with the help of a good mixture of planned economy and free market. You probably remember that I disagreed several times with what you are gong to say again. I read a lot about the times of Henry Ford. So I partly agree. But if you told that aplying for a post of mere in a city of motors you would probably need good medical insurance. And he did an absolutely right thing. Once we start to sell oil for roubles and yuans it will be a second right thing that is needed to be done long ago. And it is good. For this oil is still there and can be retrieved to our needs or to the market at better prices. There is no haste with oil extraction. It's not about the development. It's a war challenge. Americans came to our borders to kill russians. What oil and development are you talking about?! It's a war! Don't you understand? Go ahead. Russia is not interfering these wonderful plans. If you want this world be global without Russia we will have to make our own living. There are nations on the globe who prefer to die but kneeling at the ass of aggressor. And afterall it's a choice of everyone. If Putin decides to kneel he will be overthrown. But Russia will not kneel. Fine. If you say so... It will be decided by Europe though. They can by russian gas cheaper or american more expensive. Russian gas burns the same but it is bad democracy. American burns as russian but there is no this gas in the market and it will be more expensive. But the democracy will be fine and free corporate press will have a celebration with good articles for another month... It's up to them to choose. It's a market afterall.
I don't see how you can fall for Putin's propaganda that this is some kind of war challenge by the U.S. as we have even stated ourselves that the last thing we want to do is place heavy economic sanctions upon Russia. You have to take a step back and look at what Putin has done from the perspective of other nations in the world. The world see's Putin and Russia sending in Spetsnaz into the Ukraine in Crimea to purposely destabilize the region and as well Spetsnaz are in the Eastern Ukraine as well. These Spetsnaz are not wearing rank or insignia and Putin attempts to tell the world they are not Spetsnaz but instead Pro-Russian Separatists but the Separatists are wearing a jumble of different uniforms of different camo patters and Spetsnaz are all wearing the same uniforms with black face masks. The world sees Putin and Russia annex the Crimea illegally with no concern of international law. What is the world to think other than Putin has lost his mind? AboveAlpha
Economic sanctions. and a civil war between russians and ukrainians. where ukrainians were supposed to be controlled by US. Like whom? Proof? Crimean referendum reflected the will of the people. south and east of Ukraine are not so united but they are getting more and more organised. Crimea really had some spetsnaz parts of Baltic sea fleet that was based there. And it was fine. Spetsnaz cannot stay away from security under the circumstances of a coup against the country that was done under US command. This action destabilized and ruined the country. It has been destroying Ukraine since november and took a hell of money. RUssian activity in Crimea took days. And it was obviously a strike back. It's the problem of the world's eyesight and international law-makers. Our brothers asked us to protect them and voted for that. 80% of the whole area told that. And whatever world is commanded to think from its corporate liars - it will not change a thing. If my information made me to make a conclusion that a guy who achieved control over a region without a single shot is mad - I would throw away the information that made me to make such a crrappy conclusion.
Yaz....I am NOT like the vast majority of members here as I have actually been to Russia many times and have been to ALL the former Soviet Nation States that were a part of the CCCP. As I stated I have many Russian friends and they were my friends in the 1980's before the Soviet Union collapsed and most I still have contact with. My JOB and existence was specific to keep the back channels of communications going in case our leaders did something stupid and cut off communication with each other as the MOST DANGEROUS THING THERE IS....LACK OR INABILITY FOR TWO POWERFUL NATIONS TO COMMUNICATE WITH EACH OTHER.....and I and my Soviet and Russian Counterparts JOBS were to make sure our leaders REMEMBERED we used to be ALLIES during WWII. The people of the United States and this includes the people in the U.S. GOVERNMENT WHO WE ELECT....and it includes the U.S. Military and all various U.S. Intelligence Agencies and the U.S. People who run U.S. Corporations.....NONE OF US WANT A WAR WITH RUSSIA.....we never wanted a war with the Soviet Union either. The people who live in the United States are ......GOOD PEOPLE.....and I have been to Russia many times and the Russian People are....GOOD PEOPLE. The current problem is that Putin and his former KGB friends have through using the currently PUTIN CONTROLLED Russian Media....have been trying to convince the Russian Public that all their current Economic Problems are the fault of the United States and U.S. Policies. This current Putin controlled Media...and UNDERSTAND....because what I am and what I do....I am aware of EXACTLY what happened to former FREE RUSSIAN MEDIA....such as R.T., Pravda...etc....and how with the stroke of a pen, Putin abolished RIA Novosti and created a news agency to be known as Rossiya Segodnya, or Russia Today. Such actions are NOT something that could happen in a FREE SOCIETY!!!! Years ago the Free Russian Media would REPORT THINGS AS THEY WERE....and they do so just like the media is allowed by the U.S. Constitution to operate and report as in the United States a nation that literally has THOUSANDS UPON THOUSANDS of Free Media Networks, Agencies, Companies...etc....and just like in the U.S. all Free Russian Media was allowed to report what the facts were and just like what happens in the United States a huge number of such Free Media Reports were NOT reports that the U.S. President or in Russia a RUSSIAN PRESIDENT OR RUSSIAN GOVERNMENT LEADER....would really want reported nor were such Free Russian Media News Reports something that would advocate, benefit or praise any Russian President or Leader....BUT AT LEAST THOSE FREE RUSSIAN MEDIA REPORTS WERE THE TRUTH AND FACTS AND WERE MADE FREELY AND MADE BY RUSSIAN PEOPLE EXCERPTING FREEDOM OF SPEECH....just like American Journalists have freely been reporting national and world events for over 230 years!!! I can honestly say that having been an American who had been in and experienced the Soviet Union and then a young Russia and how as an American I WAS PROUD OF MY RUSSIAN FRIENDS and very happy for them as I saw them for the FIRST TIME IN THEIR LIVES be able to say whatever they wanted to and speak what was on their minds and not have to worry about saying something that would result in THEIR ARREST!!! I remember being in Moscow in the 1990's and watching Russian NEWS on TV and sitting in the living room of one of my former Soviet GRU friends homes with his family as he and his wife sat their with their MOUTHS WIDE OPEN and they could barely believe their ears as a Russian Newscaster went on about how the local Moscow Police had arrested over 20 members of a BLACK MARKET RING all of which were former members of the KGB who were NOT SELECTED to be members of the new Russian FSB....which replaced the KGB. My friends wife audibly SQUEALED with delight as a name of one of the arrested Black Market Leaders was announced as both she and my friend told me many Muscovite's KNEW who this now arrested former KGB member was as they told me this guy had used intimidation and had begun to create his own little Post-Soviet Union Gang to continue carrying out selling all sorts of Goods still manufactured by state owned companies that back in the 1970's and 1980's because of this KGB officers power and position was something he and other KGB members had the power and control over as instead of the ordinary Soviet's being allowed to have such goods such as car stereo's, coffee and other goods as well as this group was able to seize any incoming CITRUS which back then such things as a Half Gallon of Florida Tropicana Orange Juice with no pulp could be TRADED FOR A CAR!!!! But I could see in the eyes of my friend and his wife that they FINALLY felt free!!! I have looked into the eyes of my Russian friends over the past 7 years and I can tell you their eyes grow dimmer every year. They feel things are getting worse and worse and they have told me outright that things have gotten so bad and to such a point that because the Russian Media is only spouting what PUTIN want's it to spout....the Russian people who do not understand or have experience in living in a Free Society do not even understand or know how to question authority. And when Putin has the Russian Media blame all of Russian's current economic problems on the United States most people are just so indoctrinated THEY BELIEVE IT!!!! I will tell you right now.....the American People have no interest in controlling Russia and believe me if we did Russia would have become a U.S. Territory back in the 1990's!!!! What is going on now is IDIOCY!!! Putin is using fear of the U.S. Military encircling Russia and attempting to use the Treaties and Agreements that the U.S. signed with such nations as Georgia and the Ukraine and say the U.S. is attempting to take over all of Russia but the FACT is that Russia signed these agreements as well and such agreements were in exchange for the U.S. purchasing all former Soviet Nuclear and Chemical Weapons and destroying them in Georgia and the Ukraine. AboveAlpha
