US says it will send troops to eastern Europe if Russia invades Ukraine

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  1. Giftedone

    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    What a joke. you have yet to cite anything.. all you have done is post links (many behind paywall) not citing a thing from those links.

    http://www.judicialwatch.org/wp-con...12-DOD-Release-2015-04-10-final-version11.pdf


    Same thing from the NY-Times

    Nowhere in rebel-controlled Syria is there a secular fighting force to speak of

    “We all want an Islamic state and we want Shariah to be applied,” said Maawiya Hassan Agha, a rebel activist reached by Skype in the northern village of Sarmeen"

    http://www.nytimes.com/2013/04/28/w...-create-dilemma-for-us.html?pagewanted=all&_r=

    So according to the DOD and the NY-Times ..by mid 2012 -- the NY-Times in 2013 .. No "Moderate Rebels" .. all are Islamist Nut-Jobs including your beloved FSA.

    The Islamic State in Syria included Al Qaeda .. these two groups were fighting on the same side of the War .. occupying different regions of Syria .. and sometimes they fought each other for control.

    It was this "Islamic State" that the US was arming and supporting. and once again you are wrong wrong.. wrong. That's what you get for gobbling up propaganda - of which there was a ton... including Obama's "Moderate Rebel Lie" . but this did not start until 2014.

    Still waiting for you to provide a single major city controlled by "Moderates.
     
  2. Toggle Almendro

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    Aside from the Wall Street Journal article (which was then excerpted by the link below it), what was behind a paywall?


    That's not what they said. They said that the radicals were the major power in the insurgency.

    That is true enough. With Assad and Russia supporting Islamic State, they did become the major power.


    Nothing in what you quoted said anything about the Free Syrian Army.


    No it didn't.


    Two groups fighting each other = not the same group.


    Wrong. Assad and Russia supported Islamic State.

    The US and the Kurds destroyed Islamic State.


    Everything that I've said is correct.


    I do no such thing.


    No such lie.


    I gave you a link that summarized the locations occupied by the moderates.
     
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    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    What part of "Nowhere in rebel-controlled Syria is there a secular fighting force to speak of" - are you having trouble comprehending ?

    Was the FSA not part of Rebel Controlled Syria ?
     
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    I never have trouble comprehending.


    The Free Syrian Army, being ordinary civilians who were merely trying to protect themselves from Assad's genocide, were largely wiped out by that genocide.

    What was left of the Free Syrian Army was weak and insignificant compared to Islamic State, which flourished under the nurturing care of Assad and Russia until the US and the Kurds wiped them out.
     
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    Complete made up nonsense .. Name one city prior to 2017 that US/Kurds Liberated from the Islamic State .. and if the FSA was weak and insiginificant .. who was Syria/Russia fighting against if not the Islamic State.

    Prove your claim the the FSA was "ordinary citizens" You have no clue what you are talking about.
     
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    Reality is neither made up nor nonsense.


    Why prior to 2017?

    The US and the Kurds captured Islamic State's capital city Raqqa in 2017.


    Assad and Russia didn't fight anyone. They were too busy committing genocide against the Syrian people to bother fighting anyone.

    Since the Free Syrian Army was an effort to resist that genocide, I guess it could be said that Assad and Russia were fighting against the Free Syrian Army.

    But using the term "fighting" to refer to genocide committed against civilians would be a rather Orwellian take on the matter.


    You can read all about the Free Syrian Army here:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_Syrian_Army#History


    I know exactly what I am talking about.
     
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    You can't even understand your own link.. never mind know what you are talking about

    Why prior to 2017? - because that is when Russia and the Syrian Army liberated all the major cities held by the Islamic State .. (san's Raqqa because it was under the protection of the US) only someone who is completely ignorant of the war in Syria would ask such a thing .. or in your case .. someone desperate to avoid being wrong .. yet again :)

    Your claim that Russia/Syria did not fight the Islamic State is monsterous nonsense.

    Assad hails Syrian regime's capture of Palmyra from Isis
    Monitors say taking of historic city by government troops backed by Russian airstrikes is biggest Isis defeat since 2014
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/mar/27/syrian-regime-forces-retake-all-of-palmyra-from-isis

    Wrong again you are.
     
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    I understand just fine.


    I know exactly what I am talking about.


    Russia and Assad did no actual fighting against Islamic State. They were too busy committing genocide against Syrian civilians. They only reclaimed territory after the US and the Kurds demolished Islamic State.


    You have that backwards. It was Russia and Assad who protected Islamic State. It was the US and the Kurds who destroyed Islamic State.


    Keep in mind that the fictional accounts that you keep posting are not what actually happened in the war.

    Not being aware of the details of these fictional accounts does not equate to not knowing what happened in reality.


    Every single thing that I have said is correct.


    No it isn't. That is reality. It was the US and the Kurds who destroyed Islamic State.


    Russia and Assad merely reclaimed territory after the US and the Kurds did all the fighting.


    Nope. Everything that I've said is correct.
     
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    Your wrong . again

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/mar/27/syrian-regime-forces-retake-all-of-palmyra-from-isis

    Prove your claim that it was the US and the Kurds that did all the fighting to take back Palmyra .. this should be a laugh .. as once again you are laughably wrong.
     
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    Nope. Everything that I've said is correct.


    That merely shows Russia and Assad claiming territory after the US and the Kurds spent years demolishing Islamic State.


    These links show the years of fighting that the US and the Kurds waged against Islamic State before Russia and Assad were able to start reclaiming territory:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Inherent_Resolve
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_the_American-led_intervention_in_the_Syrian_civil_war


    Nope. Everything that I've said is correct.
     
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    You can't even understand what you read .. never mid being correct. "Palmyra’s reclamation by Assad’s army, after weeks of intense combat, was aided by some of the heaviest Russian airstrikes since Moscow launched its military intervention last autumn".

    Got some serious denial going on here .. such that you can't understand what you read.

    Here is another source

    Russian and Syrian forces drive ISIL out of Palmyra
    https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2016/12/11/russian-and-syrian-forces-drive-isil-out-of-palmyra

    Does not say US/Kurds drove out ISIS .. but Russian and Syrian Forces.

    Prove your made up claim that it was the US/Kurds that drove ISIL out of Palmyra .. and not Russia/Syria as both links provided you report.
     
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    Yes I can.


    I am correct as well.


    They only took Palmyra after Islamic State had been weakened by years of damage inflicted by the US and the Kurds.


    It is proper that untrue claims are denied.


    I understand everything.


    They merely retook territory after the US and the Kurds had spent years damaging Islamic State.


    That's a pretty significant oversight by the author.


    Reality is not a made up claim.


    In my previous post I provided a couple of links detailing the years of attacks that the US and the Kurds waged against Islamic State.

    Here they are again:

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Inherent_Resolve

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_the_American-led_intervention_in_the_Syrian_civil_war
     
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    Looks like talks have disintegrated.

     
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    Lock and Load!
     
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    Very scary. When Biden's opponent was a ragtag bunch of terrorists he surrendered our citizens to them, he surrendered our allies to them, and he surrendered billions of dollars of warfighting equipment to them. He slunk away from Kandahar like a thief in the night and ran like a cowardly scalded dog from Afghanistan.

    Imagine how bad this Ukraine deal could be when he's facing a modern enemy with modern weapons, transport, communications and capabilities? Biden will need a whole new appropriation for body bags.
     
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    3 Russian troop transports heads to Atlantic.
     
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    So what?

    Are you expecting them to sail to the Black Sea?
     
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    The USA has given JAVELIN anti-tank systems to the Ukraine and taught the Ukrainians how to use them.
    Russia-NATO peace talks have broken down.
    The USS Truman carrier battle group (which has seaborne sea-land missiles) was supposed to to rotate home
    but remains in range of the Ukraine.
    The US 53rd (Infantry) BCT (Brigade Combat Team) has deployed to the Ukraine in the last two months.
    Rumors abound about Russian Special Forces units being deployed to Ukraine to conduct a "false flag"
    operation to start hostilities.

    BUCKLE UP
     
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    More like the Russian base in Syria.
     

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