USA, how freedom can go with forced integration? Civic report on segregation.

Forced desegregation. Thanks to Libhater, he have explained you that desegregation and integration is the same thing. Outcome of desegregation is an integration.

So, if I don't want to coexist/work/study/live around you, then you call it a dictatorship?!

Or, if a group of white people don't want to coexist/work/study/live around group of blacks, then its a dictatorship too?!
Right now, as I said many times(!), whites live under a dictatorship. I have to coexist/work/study/live around blacks, otherwise I will be called "racist, fascist, Nazi, supremacist, suffering from xenophobia, hater, etc", ha-ha, I will face fines, can be laid off, sued, hunted down, etc.

It doesn't mean that we shouldn't move towards creation of a true free society, towards a greater progress.

 

You must be high. In the hypothetical situation of "segregation" someone would be telling you where to live. The only force that could enforce this would be the government.

 

So what are you trying to say? Are you saying in order for one group to be free, the other group must suffer?

 

saturn, you start trolling. Usually people do that due to lack of arguments and when they realize an apparent weakness in their own position, ... and at the same time they want to shut up/upset an opponent.

The resolution was suggested at the very 1st post.
I don't hate black people. I just want to coexist with people I find comfortable to coexist with. Nothing personal.

 

What is hypothetical about my choice to live segregated from another race? And who is this fantasy figure telling me where to live? The only force that could and does enforce living situations is the government. The choice to be free in determining my living venue comes from me and me alone without the force of big government intervening/interfering on my freedom to live where I want.

 

If a black man decides to move into the house next to you, you have no right to stop him as you don't own that property. You'd have to buy all the property and dispense it as you see fit.

 

Right now, yes. Whites can't choose to unite as group and have their own city, state, county, neighborhood, etc. Can whites buy a city, county, state, etc??? There are a lot of government or state properties, what you can't buy. White people are denied a right to live apart from blacks and forced to tolerate their presence.
This right was forcibly, without any voting or poll, was taken away from whites in 1950s( 1950s - according to "saturn").

 

No one is suggesting or hinting at or even preventing the possibility that a black man may move in beside me. The chances of a black man moving in beside me or beside any of my WHITE neighbors is relatively small seeing how he would be somewhat mentally unbalanced to want to do so knowing that none of his people live there. That would be comparable to me a WHITE man seeking to find living quarters for myself and my family deep in the heart of Harlem or Roxbury (ain't gonna happen). Common sense and a need or want to feel comfortable with one's living arrangements should be the overriding factor when considering this debate between segregating or integrating, or between engaging in racial strife or enjoying life among your peers in a racial strife free community.

 

Bigots really are an irrational animal.

 

I disagree with that. Is it irrational for a person to want to raise his family in an atmosphere free from racial strife and free from proven criminal activity? Is it irrational for the 'animal' to want to protect its family from the constant threat of criminal activity against them? Seems to me that bigots and racists are more apt to be members of the 'survival of the most intelligently fittest' people on earth, let alone one of the more happier and content people on earth.

 

Are you referring to Black people are animals? Because I disagree with that. I'm Black and I don't act like an animal. I would also say that alot of Black people don't want to live around anyone who behaves like an animal either.

 

No, I'm not saying black people are animals. I'm using kingmason's description of people as animals in trying to explain to him that people feel more comfortable living among their own in a segregated manner. That's all.

 

I have a question: What would help me, considering my personality and the way I am?

 

We are fighting for our rights.
You call as bigots and animals?!
As you see, these liberals brake the peaceful discussion first, proving that they are bigots and irrational animals themselves. They know that they are wrong and they know that we, white people have a basic human/civil right to coexist with people we prefer to coexist with and not be forced to tolerate something what we don't want to tolerate.

 

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I don't know you and your question is too broad for me to answer in any contrete manner. However, concerning race, I would suggest that you subscribe to the Conservative ideology of being self sufficient with a drive to better yourself without the aid of an over burdensome centralized government. Once you do that, then I suggest you spread that message of good will throughout the black community. So long as blacks continue to follow the loser ideologies, messages and policies of the democrap party--your goose will forever be cooked. For me, everything we do in life is linked to politics, and if you subscribe to a losing message, i.e. liberalism/socialism, you'll never be free and you'll never be self sufficient and or successful in life.

 

Okay then. I'll give you a better idea of who I am. I've lived my life as somewhat of a "misfit". I've been the nerdy kid. I've been derided by some Black kids(a few White kids too) for "acting White". I've also dealt with racial harassment. I've pretty much had trouble from alot of people. What I want is to live in an environment where I am safe, where I don't have to worry about getting derided for "acting White". I can vote, go to school wherever I want, and do things that would have been off limits to my grandparents. I don't want to lose any of that. For my own personal life, I have to think about what helps ME.

And something else too. Bill Cosby did speak out against some Black children not applying themselves and how there is alot of work that needs to be done. People like me listened to what he had to say and agreed with him. However, the Black people who derided him and equated him to an Uncle Tom do so because that would have done so anyway. Bill Cosby is just one man. I am just one man. I can tell the people who are acting like idiots to "shape up or ship out". I could tell them that. The question is, will those persons listen. In fact, I've actually done that before. I've actually spoken to a few students myself(when I actually was in high school) about their behavior. They just laughed and said "this is just how we are". I can tell people stuff. It's a question of listening and changing one's mentality.

 

You make a lot of good and pertinent points. If you as a black man are having trouble convincing your peers that there is a better or more productive way to progress as a people, imagine the problems someone WHITE like myself would have in trying to light a fire under the arses of these same black people. I can assure you that they're calling me much worse names than the Uncle Tom they may call you, whereas they may not even listen to me since in their eyes I'm already a racist who couldn't possibly have their best interest at heart. A vicious circle we seem to be stalemated in here.

 

I could imagine. It boils down to distrust. There are Black people who feel that Whites could never want anything good for Black people. It is distrust. It is important to know where this distrust comes from.

As for Bill Cosby's comments, I felt like much of the heat Bill Cosby took was due more to embarrassment. Blacks might have agreed, but didn't want Cosby to "air Black America's dirty laundry for everyone to see". As for the Black people who compared him to Uncle Tom, they would have done that to any other Black people who said something similar.

I look at my life like this: I am not a criminal. I don't act like a criminal. I do not engage in criminal behavior. I would consider myself a decent, law-abiding citizen. Why should I be lumped in with people who are criminals who just happen to share the same skin color/race with me? I have nothing to do with gangs, drugs dealers and the other bad stuff. Why should I be associated with it if I have nothing to do with it? The only thing I get out of it is a low quality of life.

When I see posts like this online, I often think some people would actually try to implement what is being suggested on these forums.

What I want is to not have to worry all the time.

 

So you are saying that forced segregation is "freedom"?

HAHAHAHA!!!!!

 

Mr Truth, they've drunk their own fascist kool-aid and think that tyranny is freedom. To them, they are the victim.

 

What those of us in the experienced know are telling you is that a peaceful/common sense weaning from an integrated/multi culturalized society into a segregated one is the answer for every race.

 

That's what the antichrist Hitler said as well.

However, the Bible tells us there is neither Greek nor Jew for all are equal before God. As we are a "Christian" nation we are all bound by this Truth.

 

Move back to Russia. Plenty of white people there. I hear it's lovely.

 

The bible also tells us that GOD believed in the segregation of the peoples. Upon request I'll give you those many bible quotes of segregating the people. I've done it before here, so such a request is not that difficult a chore for me.

 

THANK YOU!!! This is how I see the whole race issue.