Use of Ebonics

They do? I am honestly completely clueless what it is you're talking about. Why would the left want to destroy reminders of slavery?

Now I'm really confused. I didn't even know that "destroy reminders of slavery" was some sort of "commonly held terminology"

Dear God! Looks like I hit a nerve. Which I do many times, but rarely unintentionally. And NEVER, until now, am I left clueless as to how I did it.

 

An excellent example of not knowing what is racist. I'll give you that and not accuse you of acting ignorant to get your racist views across. So what's racist?

Calling non-standard African American English improper, racist and should be condemned to begin with. It is a slave language only in the eyes of one white guy who brought ugliness to a subject the rest of Black society goes merrily along thinking its theirs to be cherished and valued as part of their culture.

 

So, it’s a Wokeness problem then. Can’t accept the fact that the dialect is the direct result of slavery?
If you can’t discuss the subject - what’s the point of posting?

 

Use Ebonics at a job interview at any company in the country and your chances of getting that job fall to about 0%. The only exception could be a black studies position at an Ivy League School.... that would probably improve your chances. So by all means promulgate a language that is nearly an iron-clad guarantee for economic failure, I am sure it will work out just fine for the people who follow your advice.

 

Because it appeared during slavery when no one cared about teaching their slaves the language?
And it’s not symbol of racism as much as a symbol of slavery in the US. Speakers of the dialect immediately identify themselves even when the person they talk to can’t physically see them. That means that they become subjects to discrimination if someone they speak to has abilities to hurt them based on racism (like a loan officer, IRS, etc).
My reasoning goes - if we take down statues and hunt everyone down for past insensitive statements, then why not attempt to suppress everything that could identify the victim race to an aggressor to ensure its more difficult to discriminate against minorities.
So, why is Ebonics preserved? The limitations of the dialect also hinders the abilities of the speaker to get a job - no one in any foreign country is going to teach their students 2 versions of English, and since Ebonics is purely American phenomenon you can bet they’ll teach proper English (as commonly understood), which means that speakers of the dialect could have difficulties getting employed in international organizations. Don’t you want all minorities equally represented in all fields of employment? This kind of hinders the ability to achieve that goal.

 

I don't understand what your point was in the first place. It has been shown to you that "the left" has no interest in hiding history. White supremacists might want to hide that we once had slavery. But most definitely not the left.

It has been shown that Ebonics is very efficient for communication. There are many aspects that make it much more effective than "standard" American English. For example, in Ebonics saying "He been workin'", is equivalent to standard English "He has been working". But to express "he is working, and has been doing so for a long time", standard English needs all those words. In Ebonics all you do is stress the verb " He BIN workin'". I think that is elegantly economic.

The fact that it sounds "odd" (I think you said "ugly") only hints to a certain prejudice (not racism, mind you). It's actually very rhythmic. Much more attractive than many types of southern drawl. I find the Football cry "Who dat? Who dat? Who dat say dey gonna beat dem Saints?" "Who dat" very catchy.

Now... most black people can switch from Ebonics to standard English easily. And, as I said, knowing more languages or dialects is always a good thing. Learning standard English is good. But I don't know why it is you want them to un-learn Ebonics.

 

the left is not destroying reminders of slavery, they are destroying statues honoring Confederate soldiers (as in those that fought against ending slavery)

 

I was replying to posts about proper English being needed to succeed, I agreed and said but not always... look at Trump... then the right got triggered

 

I was typing at the same time you posted your retraction, apparently. And for the record, I am a US citizen, residing in the US. I have encountered people who do speak a variation of standard English with their friends, of mixed skin color. I couldn't state absolutely that it is Ebonics, hence why I called it a 'dialect'.

I provided an example of why non-standard English is a problem in the workplace. If a person is involved in interactions with other workers that do not speak non-standard English, then non-standard English should not be used in the workplace. I would think that would be rather self explanatory. More precisely, I worked at a photography studio back in the early 90's. The mixing of processing chemicals is a very precise action. If someone were to misunderstand the instructions due to a communication issue, the results would be not only dangerous, but costly. We had any number of people apply for a job, who did not speak fluent English. Because of it, we could not safely hire them.

Another example: My SIL is Filipino, and speaks Tagalog with her family and Filipino friends. She knows I only know a couple words, but reverts to English with those who don't speak Tagalog, and English when dealing with work.

I don't care what language someone speaks, within a group who speaks the same outside of work. To do so in a work environment, is inappropriate.

 

So why are they tearing down statues of Black abolitionists?

 

who is they?

 

Whomever it is that's tearing down statues.

https://www.lawenforcementtoday.com...tue-of-famed-abolitionist-frederick-douglass/

 

Because hardly anyone speaks it or understands it. Pretty simple.

 

Take a trip down to south Louisiana, maybe to Golden Meadow. You can learn some good english you.

 

There are rules to grammar. If Ebony phonics is treated as coequal to traditional English then there will be a precedent that will usher in every other competing language system. If there are dozens, which will be taught in US classrooms? What criterion will be used to decide?

 

You are completely mistaken. It is spoken by millions of people. Variations of Ebonics is spoken in the majority of large cities around the country. And most if it is mostly understood by the majority of habitual standard English speakers with only a marginal effort of attention.

 

I will bow to your superior experience. I have never heard ebonics.

 

Really?

Yo! I done nevah seen nobody dat nevah heard Ebonics.

 

That is English.

 

"If you can't discuss the subject"? Hello, you asked me a question and I answered it.

Like all language it is a thing that evolves and part of its heritage is slavery. A culture that you seem to have little respect for takes it as their own and you think it should be condemned? It seems you are the anti-woke.

Depends on the job and who is hiring...like "working at the car wash is better than digging a ditch".

Obviously if you can not communicate with coworkers you are not qualified for that job no matter the language, but I would think that is a rare problem with less than standard English.

 

It is!

A very American English. I did modify it a bit. Mostly to reflect the pronunciation.

"I done nevah seen nobody dat nevah heard Ebonics."

That's "Standard Ebonics"

 

I remember they tried to get Ebonics classified as it's own language.

It was a dismal failure. Nearly comedic.

 

Ebonics is just a failure of education and family structure.