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  1. Eleuthera

    Eleuthera Well-Known Member Donor

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    You keep repeating that mantra from the Church of The Poisoned Mind, "hundreds of thousands dead", but you refuse to examine or consider the many whistleblowers from within the healthcare profession regarding the manipulation of numbers. You refuse to examine or consider the many failings of the PCR test, upon which the fraud is based.

    You offer not Fresh Air, but Very Stale Air, talking points from the official narrative. Sorry to be so blunt, but facts are facts. :peace:
     
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    Chrizton Well-Known Member

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    I think it will be around awhile either way simply because so many people refuse to get the vaccine, but in the end, I just want it out of my area. Coming up with a better treatment as opposed to running a prevent defense is going to be the brass ring.
     
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    a few not reported or over reported does not change the fact that hundreds of thousands died from covid
     
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    Eleuthera Well-Known Member Donor

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    A few? :roflol:

    You have been thoroughly indoctrinated. Some experts say the PCR tests false positives can be as high as 90%

    I take no position on the actual number, but the preponderance of the evidence shows widespread fraud and manipulation.
     
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    Eleuthera Well-Known Member Donor

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    According to widely published data, about 175 million Americans have been stuck now. That is more than half of 330 million, our population.

    Anecdotally, certainly half the people I know have taken the shot.
     
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    were talking about how many died from covid, not some PCR tests giving false results
     
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    Eleuthera Well-Known Member Donor

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    You haven't been paying close attention during these last 12 months. In this post you come across as not having a clue about the role of the PCR tests in the data collection and analysis process.

    All the best.
     
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    FreshAir Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    the test they do in an autopsy is not the same as one you get to just do a quick test

    you have been paying attention to too many conspiracy theories
     
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    Eleuthera Well-Known Member Donor

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    You have not been paying attention to what's going on. To be more precise, you have not been paying attention to what the whistleblowers have been saying for more than a year now. Likely you prefer Lester Holt or David Muir to tell you what's going on in the world around you.

    You and I are very different in that regard.
     
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    one major treatment still today is the use of plasma from donors who had Covid. Imagine that?
     
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    Maybe on hospitalized patients. I am told our ER otherwise sends you home with steroid and a broad spectrum antibiotic prescriptions. The latter to try to stop any opportunistic infections.
     
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    It’s very difficult to compare plague to Covid19. First, plague is a bacterial infection whereas Covid is caused by a virus.

    Second, plague has two main “variants” caused by different strains of the bacterium Yersinia pestis.

    The first most everyone is familiar with, bubonic plague, is transmitted by the bite of infected fleas. This strain is not transmitted person to person typically.

    The second is pneumonic plague. In this case a different strain of the same bacteria (Y. pestis) is transmitted similar to Covid, by respiratory droplets and aerosols.

    Outbreaks of plague are sometimes bubonic, sometimes pneumonic, and sometimes a combination of the two.

    Now, if there are outbreaks of plague, that means there are periods between outbreaks where the disease is endemic, not epidemic or pandemic. During these times there is by definition “herd immunity” because each infected person is infecting less than one person. So in reality, the history you refer to is populations going in and out of the state of herd immunity. This can be caused by changes in human or animal behavior, changes in environment, prevalence of pneumonic vs. bubonic strains of Y. pestis , new mutated strains of bacteria in the case of plague, and even coinfection with other pathogens.
     
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    Eleuthera Well-Known Member Donor

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    That doesn't work nearly as well as Ivermectin or HCQ
     
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    True, however, my comments were not meant to compare the diseases. I wanted to point out that herd immunity isn't a good argument for not getting shots or taking other precautions. It's kind of hit or miss--as you pointed out. And, as we're seeing, those mutations of the virus make it likely it'll be with us for a while.

    It's seems like two schools of thought--stop the spread or let it spread and hope for herd immunity. Over time, we do seem to have built a resistance for those kinds of infections, but it took a long time and quite a toll on the human population. Until humanity becomes more resistant to Covid, we should wear the masks, get the shots, and do social distancing. Had people in London, during the plague, taken strong measures to clean up the filth, it probably wouldn't have taken 300 years to control it. It was easier to blame it on the demons of the day.

    Interesting note--The Great Fire of London may have been a factor in controlling the spread of the plague. The city took measures like widening streets, underground sewers, and building codes to prevent another slum from rising up.

    I'm glad we don't see more of those bacterial plagues like we did back then.
     
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    I think what we are seeing now is a large percentage of people starting to realize Covid is going to be endemic and are comfortable with infection rates as they are now in many places. Where I live cases are hard to find and deaths are rare indeed. Schools have been open since last fall. I don’t know of a business enforcing a mask or distancing policy. Everyone who wants a vaccination has pretty much had one. To get rid of doses they are considering mobile clinics at schools. In effect, everyone concerned about dying or getting critically ill with Covid is protected. Nobody really cares if we have crossed the herd immunity threshold or not. They only care that things are under control enough to get back to living—and they are. Nobody is going to stop them at this point. People here don’t care that someone in DC or Oregon thinks a handful of new cases a week in a 3 county area is too many.

    When Fauci said several weeks ago things would open up when a certain degree of herd immunity was achieved I guess some people took him seriously. We’ve reached a degree we are comfortable with and are opening up. When bureaucrats make subjective statements like that and the ones he made to congress the other day, we can’t be surprised when states or people interpret the subjectivity to suit themselves. Remember, everyone has a different tolerance for risk so are going to be comfortable with different degrees of herd immunity.

    Of course this frustrates states that can’t seem to get things under control even with mandates because it won’t take long for them to be left behind economically by states opening up.
    I’ve seen that theory proposed and solid arguments against it. But it is certainly interesting.

    We don’t see bacterial pandemics anymore because of the existence of antibiotics. Until something mutates to be very transmissible and resistant to modern antibiotics I think we are safe from bacterial pandemics.
     
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    Vaccines are a critical part of immunity, especially since getting
    deathly ill, disabled, or death is not required and actually a even bigger bonus.

    Of course, the "supermen" among the country will never get infected and hurt or killed are a race of Gods, and we know none of them will have no problem with anything. (They all donate all of their unneeded health insurance to the Mercado charity.)
     
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    Eleuthera Well-Known Member Donor

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    What you describe in your area sounds like herd immunity has been reached, and that's pretty much the case around the country, before the injection hysteria.
     
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    I got the shotz but there was no shopping sprees, I did all that before the shotz.
     

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