Venezuelan opposition recognized as government by Trump

*LOL*

Baaaad 'Merica!! You realize that the vast majority of the world's nations do not agree with you that Maduro was "legitimately elected".

I suspect that you're one of those odd Putinophiles who believe that the murderous midget can do no wrong.

 

Yeah. I think her myopic support of the murderous midget is embarrassing. But to each her own, I guess.

 

Guaido is the president of the Venezuelan legislature, which was abrogated by Maduro's "constituent assembly" that passed the law allowing him to be re-elected and naturally ratified Maduro's re-election, despite the consensus among international electoral observers that his re-election was a farse. Democracy and the "will of the people" is evident in the mass exodus of over 3 million Venezuelans and the ongoing brutal repression of the massive protests across the nation where Maduro fights the very legitimate opposition torturing and killing its leaders who challenge his corrupt regime.

I doubt it will lead to civil war, expect either Maduro will have Guaido and his leading supporters killed, the protests will overwhelm the regime or the military will oust Maduro.

 

That was an elucidating response.

 

That's true in a capitalist country but not necessarily in a dictatorship. I assume it worked as it does in other oil producing countries until Venezuela nationalized the industry.

 

Accurate and well said.

That is what we all hope. One thing for sure is that the military will decide who is president. It has always worked that way in Latin American political disasters.

 

What a bunch of lies, the consensus among all the international electoral observers was that it was a fair election.

Just keep beating that dead horse.

Didn't Washington say these things about Miloshevik when they destroyed Yugoslavia?
Didn't Washington say these things about Saddam when they destroyed Iraq?
Didn't Washington say these thing about Ghadaffy when they destroyed Libya?
Didn't Washington say these things about Assad when they destroyed Syria?
Didn't Washington say these things about Yanukovich when they destroyed Ukraine?

So now they're saying it about Maduro. I wonder why?

Here's a bit to ponder. Two decades ago a very prophetic Saint in Mount Athos was visited by an American Senator, and the Saint refused to talk to him. When someone asked why, he said that if it wasn't for the US there would be no wars.

Washington cannot allow Russia to do to us what we are doing to Russia, and put bases near our shore - so of course there will be a civil war. Washington is now supplying Guaido with money to pay for foreign mercenaries and maybe even terrorists, the same as was done in Syria.

Of course it would have been smarter not to make Russia an enemy with all the lies, slander, and every slimy provocation Washington and the MSM is capable of. I guess such logic and decency eludes them. I mean why have peace when you can have war.



I'm known as Thor the God of War
and love to fight in land and shore.
While listening to the trumpets sound
and bodies laying all around - Jeannette

 

The military has already decided that Maduro is the President and the head of defense said he will fight against the 'dark' interests and for Venezuela's sovereignty.

Washington though is sending funds to Guaido to pay for mercenaries, so there will be a civil war - exactly what Washington wants. If Syria is any example, Russia will be forced to intervene to protect its interests like in Syria.

 

Russia intervene in Venezuela?

Which rust-bucket will they sail across the sea in?

Russia won't because it can't.

 

sure he's a dictator his country and the world would be better without but there lot's of countries like that, Philippines, Saudi Arabia, N Korea, Russia ..but the first two are allies, the third donnie thinks he has outsmarted and the last is Donnie's mob boss...

 

Why not? USSR did the same job in 1962.

 

Well, let's hope this works. Also one more nail in the coffin of those who believe Trump is Putin's lackey?

 

there's absolutely no doubt in any non partisan mind that Putin owns trump...

 

why would Putin the mafia head of capitalist oligarch help a socialist/dictator like Maduro?...other than both being dictators that suppress democracy they have nothing in common...

 

Here are a few facts on Maduro's election:

1 - The electoral process was observed by about 150 people, including 14 electoral commissions from eight countries; two technical electoral missions; 18 journalists from different parts of the world; one member of the European Parliament, and one technical-electoral delegation from the Russian Electoral Centre.

2 - Maduro won by a wide margin, obtaining 6,248,864 votes, that is 67.84%; followed by Henri Falcón with 1,927,958, or 20.93%; Javier Bertucci with 1,015,895, 10.82%; and Reinaldo Quijada, who obtained 36,246 votes, or 0.39% of the total. The difference between Maduro and Falcón was of 46.91 percentage points.

3 - The electoral system guarantees the principle of “one voter, one vote” because only fingerprints enable the voting machine, as well as guaranteeing secrecy of vote.

4 - None of the candidates that participated in the electoral process contested the results. There is no proof of fraud; no evidence or concrete reports of fraud have been presented.

5 - Sixteen political parties participated in the electoral contest, including governing PSUV and the MSV, Tupamaro, UPV, Podemos, PPT, ORA, MPAC, MEP, PCV, AP, MAS, Copei, Esperanza por el Cambio, and UPP89.

6 - Six candidates competed for presidency: Nicolás Maduro, Henri Falcón, Javier Bertucci, Reinaldo Quijada, Francisco Visconti Osorio and Luis Alejandro Ratti (the last two later decided to withdraw.)
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There is no way Washington can disenfranchise the majority of the Venezuelan people by removing Maduro without it leading to a civil war. Washington's intent is to destroy Venezuela economically so it can fall victim to the IMF and its oil and gold can be bought up by the multi national corporations.

If anyone believes otherwise, then they're living in la-la land and they better wake up and soon.

 

It's not your barrel and not your apples.

 

"Giving"?

That's a distorted formulation that tells us everything we need to know about exceptionalism.

 

Isn't it amazing that a man can destroy a whole country - millions emigrating, millions starving, currency destroyed, babies dying - and we are to believe that a majority of the people of Venezuela voted for the guy who did all this? Why?
That strains my credibility big time.

 

Strains the credibility. If there's no America there's no wars.
If no America then maybe Sadaam Hussein would own half the Middle East.
And Japan and Korea would be at it.
And South and North Korea would be having another go.
And China vs Taiwan.
And Israel would do whatever it wanted with the Arab nations.
And the Arabs would do to Israel whatever they wanted (or hoped)
And maybe the Serbs, Croats and Bosnians could resume their conflicts.
And perhaps Russia could sort out Ukraine, and maybe Finland, Poland...
And there's China building islands and bullying smaller nations.

I am Australian. Wouldn't like to live in a post-WWII Asia/Pacific without
America.

 

That never was the case until the US Project for a New American Century. This absolutely was not the accepted norm for the very simple reason that the one wanting to do the invading would always claim to be doing this. Now there might be one organisation who could acceptably do this and that would be the UN - but not the sort of thing we have been seeing - the most powerful country in the world and others, Saudi Arabia did this in Syria, is itself responsible with US and UK support for what the UN believe is an even worse humanitarian disaster in Yemen. Now the US desires in the Middle East including its attempt to create civil war in Iran and get terrorists in there has a different motivation to it's interference in Latin America destroying Socialist Regimes and replacing them Right Wing Dictatorships which as I said before is the reason you have caravans of real refugees and the US is now trying to imprison those who work to save lives of those the US leaves to die.

No More Deaths volunteers convicted after leaving food and water for migrants in Arizona desert

I have seen strikers in Latin America being gunned down and I have seen a member of one of the US Departments, which one I forget, telling Pilger that they were involved in that and that the reason was that it was in the interests of the National Security of the US. It was also said that what was in the National Security of the US was gaining financially from Latin America.

The US is not a genuine Liberal Democracy. Prior to WW2 it may have been. However communists and socialists creating Trade Unions managed to get Roosevelt to realise that if he did not do something for the poor, there could be revolution. He organised the New Deal and so on and people survived. However once WW2 was over, the US worked in a similar way to the Stasi of East Germany to get rid of people who were not Capitalists from the US. We took in several of those deported from the US for their political views at that time. The UK and to the best of my knowledge the rest of Europe never made political views illegal. We had a communist Party. They never gained power. We also had a Social Democratic Party. America's problem with Venezuela is primarily because they had a desire to become socialist. There were also Cuban's in the US pushing for the destruction of Venezuela due to Chaverz's good relationship with Castro. What has brought Venezuela to this point is a mixture of several things, failure for some reason to reinvest money from oil for a rainy day during the good times, the plummeting of oil in 2014 which it has crossed my mind may have been another deliberate ploy by the US to at last destroy Venezuela, and all sorts of sanctions, interference by the US, on going payment of millions to the so called 'opposition' in order that they can buy weapons and along with them taking orders from the US. The US is just continuing to try to do here what it has done in other Latin America countries such as Honduras and Nicaragua. The last election of Maduro was deemed a clean election by International Observers. The Opposition boycotting the election does not stop it from being fair and free. Clearly every opposition which was going to lose would boycott if that was going to win them the election.

That Venezuela needs help and has needed it has been obvious for several years now. What it does not need is what the US has been trying to create since its failed Coup in 2002, It does not need the US to create civil war there resulting in its total destruction and millions of deaths. The people of Venezuela need to be protected from the US and then talks at bringing the country together need to begin and those guilty basically of treason - and that is what it is if you are trying to destroy your country for the wishes of another country, need to face trial, be given refuge in the US or whatever.

A humanitarian solution needs to be found which respects the sovereignty of Venezuela and there is absolutely no reason to believe that neo liberalism and mass privatisation would be advantageous to that. It is the failure of that system which has brought many middle aged white American men to drugs and suicide and given that the US has all but destroyed their collective systems of support, Unions and so on, allowed them to given allegiance to someone like Trump, though word has it that had Sanders been allowed to face Trump, it would have been him who would have won and the US now would be moving in a very different direction.

I am scratching my head as to whether Western Leaders who are giving support to the US creating an illegal Coup against a man who was elected in what International Observers saw as 'clean' elections are doing this because they are ignorant or because they too have given up on the rule of law and Liberal Democracy.

 

It’s all irrelevant. Socialism is political poison. It will alway loot, rape, and starve to death the productive, the creators, the innovators, the good.

So, just as any person has the moral right to stop a thug, a rapist, or a murder, so to does any nation have the right to invade a socialist natio— be it a chosen one or forced dictatorship—to restore liberty and the rule of law.

Voting is not a right, nor a moral absolute, but “...life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.” is.

Democracy is a politcal cancer that will always metastasize into a dictatorship and decay into hell on earth.

No nation, no populace, no gang, no society, nobody has the right to create a socialist nation, a communist nation, or. a fascist nation.

There is only one moral form of government, a constitutional republic based on the principle of Individual Rights. And that’s America.

 

Oh come on now. I am sure there's prosperous, free and viable socialist countries
somewhere. I am not talking about socialist programs in a Capitalist society but
true socialism. Can someone help me out here? It isn't Vietnam, Cambodia, China
Venezuela, Cuba, Russia, East Germany, North Korea....
.... come on you guys, give me a list.

 

Below is Paul Craig Roberts inimitable take on America's decision to choose who should run the USA.

I don't once remember in my fairly long life a nation refusing to allow it diplomats to be expelled by the legitimate government because it arbitrarily has decided to recognise someone else as president that is amenable to their desires.

Black is white, white is black, up is down and down is whatever the US says it is - and the US sycophants are now queuing up to agree with this contortion.

We're through the looking glass with this.

https://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2019/01/25/the-exceptional-nation-asserts-its-exceptionalism/

 

Best job ever!

 

The generals may have decided that they will back Maduro but we will see what happens when the soldiers are told to shoot at their countrymen. No decision yet. Sorry. Good luck Russia.