Venezuela's Maduro breaking off relations with US

Tusk is not elected, certainly not by the people of the EU. He does not speak for the people of the EU just like your country claiming someone unelected is the President of Venezuela and the elected person is not is not speaking for the people of Venezuela.

 

They are a sovereign country. We have NOT intervened. If we wanted to hurt them we would have imposed oil sanctions on them 2 years ago.

 

Haha Fair.org! Hahha a leftist organization that’s had Hugo Chavez’s dictatorship back since day one

 

Oh yes you have, you just have chosen to ignore it. Read my link. You also tried a coup of Chavez. You have never stopped interfering not just in Venezuela but in all of Latin America removing Democratically elected leaders and replacing them with violent Dictators. Even Bolsonaro who does seem to have been elected President, much to the elation of the US to have a far right potential fascist leader in Brazil was elected due to the influence of the Christian Right in the US and Bannon's interference (and being stabbed and using that to avoid answering questions) If there is one thing the US is not, it is 'the land of the free' in the sense of in any way believing people have the right to self determination. You are world Dictator.

 

Arguably, even an elected official cannot speak for the entire electorate. Trump was elected by a popular minority, but even someone elected by a majority can't very well speak on behalf of everyone.

But, I certainly can see your point. There is a perceptible difference when it is an unelected official as opposed to an elected one. I suppose it is really much more important what a given nation's elected leader has to say than what an unelected one has to say. I'm sure that citizens of EU member states must feel some sensitivity about the idea of being lumped together under the EU banner, as this jeopardizes their national identities.

 

I am in favour of the EU. However there is the bureaucracy who rule it who are unelected. Hence you have the EU going against what the people of Europe want. For instance by far the majority of European citizens would have the EU do something, sanctions or something to stop Israel's illegal and cruel actions against the Palestinians. Due to this the EU occasionally mouths off as if it would do something but never does. That an unelected bureaucrat is claiming an unelected man claiming to be President is democratic is untrue and ridiculous. The only thing I could think of saying was that only another unelected person could possibly think that - or someone up to no good trying to fool the people. Most Europeans are very wary of ethnic Nationalism. There is now Diem25 working to bring Democracy to the EU.

One of those EU Bureaucrats keeps getting drunk. That might be Tusk. That might explain him saying such a ridiculous thing as removing the elected President and replacing him with one who will do whatever the US asks is a democratic thing to do. It is not.

 

So, do the national EU representatives not push the EU bureaucracy to do the will of the people, e.g. by sanctioning Israel?

It does seem strange for EU leadership not to be elected, but I suppose that is because the EU is not a country. It's kind of a bastard of a political entity. To whom are EU bureaucrats accountable?

 

Hey look at that, a socialist takes over a country, wrecks the economy, and refuses to leave when the populace wants him gone. It's not like we've seen this 100 times already lol.

 

No, I would say it goes further that in general EU countries do not represent Europeans in that as well as the EU. Governments do not represent the people whereas in the US it has been different. That is a long and different story.

Seems I was not quite accurate about that, in a somewhat crazy way Tusk was voted for by the leaders of countries

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...n-council-president-despite-polish-opposition

The democracy of the EU is something which people believe needs to be looked into. I have no idea why Tusk would say such a crazy thing. The fact is the US has chosen to call as President of a Foreign Country, someone who they have been encouraging to go against the elected Leader for the good of the US not the people of Venezuela. The US has acted in similar way in Honduras, Nicaragua and so on, all for its own gain, causing massive hardship and thousands of deaths. You know Durandal prior to 9/11 the UK knew what the US got up to and you were kind of seen as a somewhat renegade country, then after 9/11 the UK and then the EU lined up with you and you have acted far far worse and we have stopped seeing it, no doubt because we are now in collusion.

 

Why can't I be against Team America: World Police and also the dictator Maduro?

Is the only valid reason for disliking Maduro that you want US corporations to raid Venezuela? If so there are a heck of a lot of CEOs in corner stores and butchers etc all over Venezuela.

 

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Figured the Lefty Socialists would side with the Socialist Dictator.

US Refuses To Withdraw Diplomats From Venezuela, "Will Take Appropriate Actions" If Harmed

"The United States does not consider former president Nicolas Maduro to have the legal authority to break diplomatic relations with the United States"

 

And Trump told the ousted murderous dictator to shove it, we aren't leaving and if our folks are harmed, we will respond appropriately.



The last election that installed current president Nicholas Maduro, who formerly served as Hugo Chavez's parrot, is largely viewed as illegitimate and rioting broke out in areas that until now have supported him as a result of some sort of coup-like activity from military units. Opposition leader Juan Guaido has been sworn in and President Trump has announced the US will recognize him as the interim president, which caused Maduro to sever relations with us and ordered all American officials out of the country within 72 hours. The protests reportedly involve tens of thousands of Venezuelans who have had it up to Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez' bulging eyeballs with socialism. The X factor in all of this remains the military and police as well as what if anything the US will do to help Maduro and company do a Mussolini/Ceacescu impersonation. And Lefties, this is why we have the Second Amendment. Prayers for the people of Venezuela and death to Socialism. At home and abroad.

Hasta La Vista Socialism?

 

No matter what you call it, socialism. national socialism, or "democratic" socialism...leftist policies always end up with violence, poverty, and failure.

 

The med to russia???

You don't think the europeans, some of which are nuclear powers, would have a say in this? Beside Russia has no direct access to it.

 

I'm sure a change of leadership in Venezuela is for the good of the Venezuelan people, and it's certainly good for democracy as an institution and ideal. But always there is a counter-narrative running out there on the intardwebs that the USA is bullying populations of countries that won't "go along" with some "new world order" of ours. It's a disinfo line that is used by the worst scum of the world to resist our efforts to see them deposed and see freedom and prosperity come to those countries.

And it's not just us in support of Guaido. The vast majority of countries in Latin America support him (with just Mexico, Bolivia and Cuba siding with Maduro). Canada is with us, I hear. I guess that leaves open the question of just how strong EU support is.

 

Or one trick pony economies that rely on a single commodity’s high prices for wealth don’t work.

 

Might want to look at the history of Chile and our devout support of Pinochet, along with the 100 other times the United States has put into power an authoritarian ruler.

 

When Hugo Chavez came to power in Venezuela in 1998, he promised health care for all. In 1999, he got it written into the Constitution, which stated: "Health is a fundamental social right, an obligation of the State."

Chavez also promised to make wealth more equal, “overcome poverty” and mandate higher wages. He made initial progress in expanding medical care and reducing poverty, which was praised by Americans from Sean Penn to Michael Moore.

However, the success was short-lived. Experts say it was based on using existing wealth rather than creating new wealth.

“He took from the private sector that existed, and enjoyed buoyant oil prices, to buy off the electorate,” said Fergus Hodgson, executive editor of Antigua Report, a Latin American business consulting agency.

“This strategy was great in the short term, but it crushed investment and new businesses. Predictably, when economic activity and oil prices went south, he resorted to printing money, and we all know what has happened.”

read:https://www.foxnews.com/politics/top-5-failed-socialist-promises-from-lenin-to-chavez

 

Maduro... rofl!



Chavez and all his Socialist flunkies suck as human beings.

https://www.foxnews.com/world/hugo-...richest-individual-in-venezuela-report-claims

 

....and we need a relationship with a dictator starving his own people.....why?

 

....Exactly, Venezuela's economy was totally reliant on commodity prices being high. Any layman could see that the country was poised to fall when commodity prices fell. Venezuela is less of a story of socialism's failures than it is a story of the failure of diversification.

 

He is an uneducated bus driver that became a dictator. His followers are ignorant and stupid people.

 

Why do you raise a question of relationships? Trying to invent a point of contention again? My obvious position has been a "hands off" position. Try picking a fight with someone who doesn't notice your tricks. .... someone on the right most likely.

 

And this is why our second amendment has relevance to date!

'Guys with guns' will determine what happens next in Venezuela, former minister says