Waco II

Discussion in 'Current Events' started by DonGlock26, Jan 13, 2013.

  1. Defengar

    Defengar New Member

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    Ctrl Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Fact?

    What is a fact? What do you know about facts? Who shot first? Demonstrate this "fact" to me.
     
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    Fascism is a disorder of the far left. Unless of course you believe Wilson, FDR and Johnson were radical right wingers.
     
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    I seriously doubt any of those people have either the ability, ambition, leadership, let alone the vision of our founding fathers.
     
  5. Defengar

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    Head on over to stormfront.com. Most of em are straight supporters of fascism, and they hate liberals with a passion.
     
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    Yah generally when you defend yourself... ( i guess that part you missed right? )

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    I posted a wiki link that is sourced. Facts about what happened is not some kind of sordid message...
     
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    And you know this how? Dont tell me you are another PF Liberal that goes there for "research"!
     
  8. Defengar

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    I do. Every once in a while I pop over there for a few minutes to get the general atmosphere.

    They hate:

    jews
    Israel
    the U.N.
    minorities
    liberals
    muslims
    democrats

    They like:

    Facism
    Hitler
    the tea party
    Ron Paul
    libertarianism
    guns
    Tolkiens works (for some reason they believe that he wrote them as commentaries on society and elves/humans are white people, orcs are minorities, and dwarves are jews. This is despite the fact Tolkien clearly wrote the orcs as a metaphor for the nazi's and their industrialization and basically told the nazi's to (*)(*)(*)(*) themselves when they contacted him asking if he was jewish because they needed to know if they should burn his books or not)

    things they argue among themselves over

    if skin heads are detrimental to their cause
    If the holocaust is real
    religion (most of them are Christians, but there is a fairly large atheist sub group, and they fight quite a bit)
    Who is classifiable as white. (some believe only western europeans and white americans are, some believe all europeans, etc.. and some believe to be white you must have pure ancestry going back to great great great grandparents, while others think you should be pure up to great great great great grandparents. In other words, a lot of them believe if you are even 1/128th not white, you are not white)


    Its funny to watch them imo. They act like they are so united and strong, yet if you read through even a couple threads, you will see there are large divisions and that they are very disorganized and they have absolutely jack (*)(*)(*)(*) as far as a plan goes beyond "whitey best".
     
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    Steady Pie Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    In the sense that it colluded with producers to push market forces in their favor - yes.

    Fascism (as I'm sure you're aware, don't get me wrong) is more than just totalitarian government policy. It is a specific type of government force.

    Nationalism typically requires a nation. Nations are only meaningful to states. States are universally coercive - by definition. That's why I dislike nationalism - all too often people love America instead of the individuals within, and this leads to gross violations of individual liberty.

    If you live in a voluntary society and want to show your love of your "country" there is no monopoly of law and order you can worship - just individuals and amalgamations of individuals. This I would not class as nationalism.



    Again, I'm just saying that personally I dislike the idea. I am not saying we should coerce nationalists into abandoning their beliefs. If they go out and act on those beliefs in a coercive manor - then and only then do I think the act is reprehensible.
     
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    Steady Pie Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    This is all semantics. People have different definitions of left and right. You're both correct using your separate definitions for the terms involved.

    Tired of people claiming that they have the "objective" definition - there's no such thing. Words are just labels place on concepts. If everyone learnt to put squabbles over which concepts get which labels the world would be a much simpler place.

    So yes, by his definition of left and right fascism is on the right, but that doesn't translate to YOU as someone on the right, they're different uses of the same terms. The important thing is uniformity.
     
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    I wish they'd do it more often too-keep all the nutters in one place and away from normal people.
     
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    In fact in the foreword of the revised edition of Lord of the Rings, Tolkien warned against assuming he was using metaphor or analogy in respect of Nazism. The rest of your post I agree with.

    "As for any inner meaning or message, it has in the intention of the author none. It is neither allegorical or topical. I cordially dislike allegory in all its manifestations, and have always done so since I grew old and wary enough to detect its presence" JRR Tolkien. (Foreword to Lord of the Rings).
     

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