Walk the Plank you filthy baby!

So..... if this is so important why is the American right not lobbying to reduce the infant mortality rate?

 

At what point does a functioning brain exist?

 

Then why is so much effort being put into “saving” those who might never be and so little effort put into saving those already here?

 

That is moot

Certainly not at six weeks

 

Do you mean "fully functioning"? That would be somewhere from the 20th week to the 25th week depending on the meaning of "fully".

If you mean any minimal cellular functioning it would be probably around week 6 to 8. But it is really very minimal. Rudimentary "consciousness" develops much later once the brain is more fully functioning.

Different measurements identify self-aware consciousness first occurring anytime from week 25 to 15 months after birth.

There's plenty of info on the web.

 

That only matters if it's a known requirement for 'any sense of feeling or identity of "self"'.

Which of course it isn't.

 

I didn’t bring it up. I’m just curious what everyone thinks about it. I don’t think anything on a subject of life and death is moot.

 

Uh yes, it is

 

Wiki has a very good article on it

 

Just wondering when everyone thinks “it” goes from a clump of cells to something more. Studies have shown the ability to learn sounds and form memories of them sometime in that 20 ish week period.

Is anybody ok with termination anytime up to self awareness? Why or why not?

Just trying to get some thought and discussion outside of ad hominem and cliche going.

 

Are you saying self awareness should be the cutoff for termination?

 

I’d rather hear your opinions.

 

It depends in part on self awareness, cognition

There not only has to be a functional brain but a functioning brain and that actually does not occur until after birth. At birth and within the first few weeks a baby is capable of reacting to stimuli but not of true cognition however they at that point are capable of dev....... ah! ****! Just realised that you started me on a discourse that would take all afternoon

Start here

https://embryology.med.unsw.edu.au/embryology/index.php/Site_Map

My cut off is viability

 

Yes, but that was back in the days before forensic science and DNA were around?

 

Are there any stats on conservatives and Republicans and Christians who have had or been involved in abortions?

I bet there has been a few in the Trump family.

I know there were a couple of hypocritical Repubs who got into a fix because they apparently cheated on their wives and then had their "girlfriends" have abortions so as to avoid trouble.

 

Here are a few interesting stories concerning some Repubs:

ABORTION IS IMMORAL, EXCEPT WHEN IT COMES TO MY MISTRESSES

https://www.mcsweeneys.net/articles/abortion-is-immoral-except-when-it-comes-to-my-mistresses

 

OK, now show me all your scientific proof that pregnancy causes no harmful effects on women......and I don't mean from a sites like "Women= Evil", "Pro-Life Religious Freaks", , "Women are Cattle",

 

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No, I wouldn't do away with prisons, I would want caution and intelligence to rule on who gets executed.

Shrug...What TF has that got to do with my post??

 

Abortion should be legal in cases of rape, incest or the life of the mother is at stake but NOT for convenience....

 

OK, now show me all your scientific proof that pregnancy causes no harmful effects on women......and I don't mean from a sites like "Women= Evil", "Pro-Life Religious Freaks", , "Women are Cattle",

 

Thank you for once again re-affirming that Anti-Choicerss are ONLY interested in punishing women for having consensual sex...…


They keep repeating it as they deny it ...HILARIOUS!!!!!!!!!

Maybe YOU can tell me the difference between killing a fetus , that PRECIOUS LIFE, that was the product of rape and killing the fetus , that PRECIOUS LIFE, the product of consensual sex?

WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THOSE FETUSES?

I printed this really big so maybe others will see it and THINK.


AND WTF do you think women have abortions FOR if it's not INCONVENIENT to be pregnant!?

Do you really REALLY think woman have abortions for FUN???

 

I believe some people should have no right to live because of their crimes. However, I am opposed to the death penalty because no system is infallible and innocent people have been put to death.

 

No offense but my educational foundation is biology/animal science. In my business we assign great monetary value to embryos of lowly beasts. Even ones just “chillin’” in the nitrogen tank.

So viability is the cutoff for you. Why viability and not self awareness or birth? And how do you determine viability? It’s very subjective, even dependent on the geographic location/care availability metric.

To be clear, I’m not here to argue or change anyone’s mind, just learn why people believe what they do.

 

I already asked you to show me where an abortion was necessary to save the life of the mother.
You failed