War On Electric Cars: BigOil Smugly Says: "Let the Free Market Decide"

I suspect it's not a Transporter, but a later Vanagon, originally having Wasserboxer power.

 

derail topics much?

Gas burners though fun and sporty are also on the way to being antiques.

 

First off, I see no proof for the charges you are making. Got proof?

Also....do you drive an electric car?

 

There ARE electric cars available today for anyone who chooses to purchase one. Question remains...do you own one? Why or why not?

 

I have several friends who own hybrids as well....and are very happy with them. So, your charge that there is some kind of collusion between Big Oil and car companies is not really proven to be the case, is it?

This comes back to letting the market place decide. The success of these cars and what people think of them, will dictate how many more of them are manufactured and sold.

 

yes but due to the market not being competetive enough electric cars are still stuck in the past

if the big companies really wanted to go green there would be practical vehicles that get good mileage on one charge today

there is alot of easy money to be made from oil and not much innovation required

 

No...she's a raging hypocrite.

 

It's called freedom. Put some fuel in the tank, fire her up and drive 200 miles at 75 mph with the A/C, headlights and radio on.

Park it 1/2 mile from the stadium, go to the game and drive back home still without a fill up. It's called an Accord, Camry, 6, Fusion, Civic etc etc

Many vehicles get 35+ mpg at high speeds

THere's a golf cart company near me. By putting solar panels on the roof they can get an extra 2-3 hours of SPORADIC use from the golf carts. Instead on needing a charge mid-day some golf courses are able to use them during the daylight hours before the battery is dead thanks to the trickle charge of the solar

that's a great application for solar/electic in a "walled garden" environment namely golf courses

even the altruistic Europeans aren't driving electric cars

 

Sorry mate but your macho V8 will soon be a museum-piece and you won't have a choice. Of course you can always make 'vroom-vroom' noises if you like

 

The real question is, why DON'T conservatives want the electric car to succeed? Its an amazing lack of logic and common sense to NOT want a healthy competitor out there to bring down prices, stir economic growth, and help our environment (which even if you don't believe in global warming, at least have a modicum of respect over the dominion that GOD left you responsible for).
Hearing these arguments strictly along ideological lines is a joke, and it paints the right as everything I thought they were. Its not REALLY about free market, despite the "other" threads you guys post in clamoring for it. If it were, then you'd be on the side of the electric car in this debate.

 

My truck will run on just about anything flammable (including but not limited to heating oil, jet fuel, cooking oil, used engine oil, kerosene), my Caddy can, with about two hours in the shop, be converted to burn ethanol or methanol. I'm covered!

 

You won't have that 'freedom' for much longer, and complacency won't change the hard fact that oil is getting more expensive as it gradually runs out.
Real, concrete and serious investment in seeking viable alternative fuels must be done now.

 

That sounds familiar...ah, yes, it is the same thing (almost word for word) that the doomsayers have bee bleating for about thirty years now.

 

So you don't think oil is ever going to run out. Ok.

 

I know, right?

 

It used to be that the old gas antiques could be peddled to a duped and priveleged US public, year after year after year.

But nobody in these troubled times, faced with needing a new vehicle, will buy one that puts them in the hole each month with gas as opposed to one that is light and easy to juice up. Just two days ago I had a chance to witness this very fact. I saw a gal I knew years ago walking at a mini mall out front. I looked everywhere for her truck. She loved toyota 4x4 trucks. Terrible mileage for a mini truck but she had ample money in the stock market and didn't care. Trust fund baby. Had a truck forever, traded it in on one recently that looked exactly like the old one. But parked nearby, I couldn't see the truck anywhere. Instead she got into a new Prius and drove away.

Even the devil-may-care trust-fund kids are opting for less outlay each month.

The gas-guzzler is finished. When I saw her of all people drive away in a Prius, that confirmed it for me. She was a DIEHARD fan of the 4x4 pickup for commuting in..

Europeans and pretty much every other developed nation are demanding hybrids and electrics pretty much exclusively. They have to. It's a matter of budgeting and for some, even national security.

 

Sounds like the seceratary where I work...replaced her Toyota Tacoma (which actually gets decent mileage) with a Prius. Of course, she's getting about 8-10MPG less than expected (it tanks in the winter), and actually less than my wife's 15-year-old car. (Last tank from that: 54.3MPG.) It just aboiut matches what my wife managed from her old Festiva, 20+ years old, over 200,000 miles and without overdrive or even fuel injection. Average was about 45MPG, WORST tank (city driving & lots of idling to run the heater on a very cold weekend) was about 39.

And there is the simple fact that, as has been the case for more than thirty years, two of the top selling vehicles in the country are STILL fullsize pickup trucks!

You can keep your golf carts. I like my Coupe de Ville and my F-350. I like the Jeep Cherokee I am buying.

 

So I guess electric vehicles are a flop then?

 

Have been so far, if we are judging by consumer acceptance.

 

Yes, the model T had so many issues it was hard to know where to start. Whip and buggy makers also declared a premature victory...lol..

Invest accordingly..

 

i dont have a V8, i have an 3.2l inline 6 that will last a hell of alot longer than what (*)(*)(*)(*) box electric cars can.

and even if one day while im still alive we get off gas and move on to total electric or some other power source ill just go in and buy a Tesla, a company who is making true strides, all american made and a bad ass car too boot. ill never invest in some POS GM or other type of panzy ass tuna can.

but sorry for you, we will all be long gone before we truly get off gas, so ill enjoy my inline 6 till the day i die

 

(*)(*)(*)(*), thats alot of work. i want lol

 

That's cool. You guys collect the old style cars. Many people are into collecting antique cars and restoring them, improving them. It's a fun hobby.

But seriously, most people will be driving electric and trying to make antiques seem fun and sporty to replace the inevitable is really kind of childish and wishful thinking. Good capitalists are very sharklike in their investment outlooks..

 

i think more people will be driving electric cars as well when there are true quality electric cars on the market. thats where i mentioned Tesla, and if you havent heard of them i suggest you check them out. they are making real strides with electric cars, a lil pricey atm but they are much better than the dangerous lil anal probes offered right now. and i do have plans on buying one in the future, im going for their sedan model that seats like 6 people and has a range of like 300+ miles on a single charge and does 0-60mph in like 5 or 6 seconds.

if its one company this country should be backing it should be Tesla, they are making quality rides while other motor companies are offering the lowest pieces of crap they can.

 

"dangerous little anal probes"...

You wouldn't be using hyperbole to scare off customers now would you? Being in the harness and buggy trade right about now would be a bit unnerving. Don't worry, you'll always have the Amish to market to..