War with Iran would be an act of treason!

Ehm ... sorry ... I am not defending this witch Hillary here, please no miss-understanding! But everyone knows that it was Sarkozy who was the power behind!

 

Patrick Beesly was considered the leading authority on the history of British Naval Intelligence, in which he was long an officer. In his book Room 40, Beesly wrote:

Nothing, absolutely nothing was done to ensure the liner’s safe arrival . . . . I am reluctantly driven to the conclusion that there was a conspiracy deliberately to put the Lusitania at risk in the hopes that even an abortive attack on her would bring the United States into the war. Such a conspiracy could not have been put into effect without Winston Churchill’s express permission and approval.18

Among Wilson’s top financial angels were munitions manufacturer Cleveland Dodge (National City Bank/Rockefellers) and banker Jacob Schiff (Kuhn, Loeb Bank/Rothschilds).

https://jamesperloff.com/2014/05/21/false-flag-at-sea/


So we borrowed money to fund the war from the same people that make munitions. No conflict of interest there.
I know the German's sank the Lusitania, but the Brits set the whole thing up, sending the ship towards the U-20 without any protection, and carrying tons of explosives labeled as "furs", "cheese", etc.

 

By the way, that goes even further ... Wilson mainly joined the war on the side of the Entente, because the UK, France and Italy had made so much debt to the United States and in early 1917 actually began to lose the war for a while. Also, but not only because of the revolution in Russia.
We are talking here about war debts which the Entente powers in the USA had as debt, who, according to today's value, have 12 zeros as a number! In case of a defeat of the Entente, the money would have been gone!

 

You mean the one Obama admitted would allow them to create nuclear weapons anyway? The whole reason for the 'agreement' was to not do much of anything other than allow Iran to do what they always do as the leading sponsor of terrorism. The EU loved it because is allowed them to continue to trade with Iran.

 

So no war.

 

Oh, it's even more complicated than that. In the Krupp biography that I own, there's a mention that Krupp bought a license from the british to produce fuses for some of their artillery shell before the war. At war end, the british sued the company for every shell they used to kill allied soldier that used those fuses...

 

What's the body count so far?

 

Yeah ... and this is again only one points of many which make the Versaille Treaty an impudent behaviour towards Germany at least and where it was still for many obvious that this will be the reason for the next war!

You know the difference between warmongering and doing war? Must I exlplain?

 

For once we agree.
However the primary way in which myopic supporters of war with Iran are traitors is their willingness to do the bidding of a foreign government......again.

"Israel is pushing the US into war against Iran"
http://between-the-lines-ludwig-wat...03/israel-is-pushing-us-into-war-against.html

"Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu Leads US President Trump to War with Iran"
https://www.unz.com/jpetras/israeli...hu-leads-us-president-trump-to-war-with-iran/

"America Cannot Go to War for Israel"
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/ahmed-moor/america-cannot-go-to-war-_b_682467.html

"Lobbyist Says Israel Should Create A 'False Flag' To Start A War With Iran"
https://www.businessinsider.com/top...-with-iran-sink-sub-illicit-false-flag-2012-

"Netanyahu Is Meeting Trump To Push For War With Iran"
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/netanyahu-trump-war-with-iran_us_59bfc6e6e4b086432b089840

"Neocon Pundit: The Israel Lobby Wants War With Iran"
http://www.thedailybeast.com/neocon-pundit-the-israel-lobby-wants-war-with-iran

"Netanyahu & the Lobby Cowboy Up For War With Iran"
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mj-rosenberg/netanyahu-the-lobby-cowbo_b_3611038.html


Finally, among my favorite quotes is:

"All the war-propaganda, all the screaming and lies and hatred, comes invariably from people who are not fighting."

~George Orwell

 

Iran is well documented as a hotbed of terrorism and supporter of terrorists in many countries. And perhaps you do not recall the Iraq-Iran war, indeed a war on a neighboring country. That was begun by IraqThese are people who are allowing a cult-like mentality masking as religion to control the minds of it's people. And don't forget, lest you think this is just bad press- The Ayatollah Khomeini placed a bounty- a million dollar hit, if you will- on British author Salman Rushdie, because he felt Rushdie's book was insulting. Now this is a head-of-state doing that. Khomeini is dead, and several replacements have come and gone- but the bounty is not only still open others have raised the total.

Iran conducts a covert war, not an open one. The cry innocence and plot evil at the same time- and without question, hate America, Israel and all things non-muslim. Get yourself an english copy of the Koran- and understand that they take it literally. Among the teaching of the Koran is that killing infidels is doing them a favor. All you have to do to deserve death in to not be muslim. They also teach pretending to be friendly, compatible with outside values, for the purpose of getting inside the enemies trust, so killing will be easier. They teach this to their children as toddlers, they literally grow up hating you.

In the minds of Iranian leaders, they have been at war with us for a very long time. They are at war with everything and everyone not muslim- have been for centuries.

A war is certainly not a desirable thing; more of a last resort. The question is how much should be tolerated from people whose burning desire is to see us all dead.....

 

The right wing neoconservative think tanks, with the FED, the super rich Israeli's, Trump, Mnuchin, Goldman, and other Bankers, Rothschild family friends now dictate everything.
The right wing politicians only need to find that way to turn it into propaganda so their BASE is OK with it.... False Flag WARS and our country could care less what the GOOD 60% of the people think or want. You do not matter, thus, look after yourself, save, prepare for the worst because it is coming, if not for you, your kids for sure.
America going backwards since 1983

 

Yes, please explain how the man who hasn't started any wars is a warmonger.

 

Is it OK if I ask for the money that drone cost?

 

What concerns me the most about the escalating situation going on right now is there are two erratic, irresponsible actors upon which we are depending to de-escalate to avoid a shooting war........the Trump admin and the leaders of Iran. It's times like these I wish there was an adult like Mattis in the room. Instead, we have war mongering John Bolton, equivocating stooge Mike Pompeo, yet another acting Sec. of Defense, and Baby Donald waiting for instructions from Sean Hannity.

 

What's the body count so far?

 

Going to war with Iran is a fools errand. It’s not going to go beyond apoplectic rhetoric.

 

Get in page Alfred. Trump took a prudent approach. At this point the alt-lefties are caught with their pants down at their knees.

 

LOL... and yet, the west still feels entirely willing to allow those from those nations to immigrate... we should take your advise and lock the doors.. huh...

 

we also helped refugees from Nazi Germany

and the USSR

 

We also successfully occupied and transformed Germany. Lenin communist USSR no longer exists. So, evidently , our efforts do, in fact, empirically work. But, as you've suggested, the folks in the ME are soooo different, and sooo hard to deal with, we shouldn't ever even try, right? So, given that, your advice here seems to lead to an out come that effectively then slams the doors of the west to them. If our only option is to isolate them, we should, right?

 

I think it is beyond question that American intelligence agencies are corrupt. They appear to be evil entities at this moment in time. Look at all the lies and corruption they were capable of in their attacks on President Trump..... treasonous in my opinion (and this went on for years and is STILL ongoing, an attack on the foundations of our Republic in that it seeks to overturn a valid election). Now we are supposed to be pretend that the intelligence they provide on Iran should be taken at face value? Screw that. I don't believe a damn thing they say anymore. We need evidence from a source other than our own intelligence agencies (ditto Israeli/Saudi Arabian intelligence).

 

Moron Trump destroyed any possibility of a European coalition by unilaterally pulling out of the Iran treaty - so now if we were to have to go to war, it's going to be all alone. Unlike Iran and Afghanistan, we will be paying the entire bill in both blood and gold. Trump is truly an idiot - he never considers anything beyond his own brand.

 

Given that Bolton's stated goal for a long time is regime change in Iran..........why did Don appoint him in the first place since he apparently doesn't agree. At least for today. Tomorrow may be a different story if the nitwits on Faux and Friends begin to beat the drums of war.

 

Yup. The responsibility for provocation is Trump's. Pulling out of the agreement, naming the IRG a terrorist organization, increasing economic sanctions. What is the end game? Don has no idea. He's too busy holding tent revival rallies.

 

President Trump is mercurial as well as capricious. Other than his bombastic rhetoric, I can’t figure him out.