Warning, democracy in peril, scholars join national call for federal action to protect elections

It's a well reasoned essay. Either it makes sense to you or it does not.

Based on my observations of republicans, I must concur with their position.

 

Ridiculous.

 

I'm not in the mood to argue semantics with you.

 

That is your Right. :shrug:

If you say so. :shrug:

 

It is reasoned on talking points. As such its not well reasoned at all.

And based on my observations of Republicans, I disagree. Which of us is correct? That is of course a rhetorical question as I already know the answer you would give. And I'm sure you know the answer I would give.

 

Who is "y'all"? They need Americans at each others throats so they can get away with spending like drunken thieves.

I do propose all meetings with lobbyists be live-streamed and recorded.

 

1) Failure to condemn Trump's attempted election shenanigans, noted.

2) There is no evidence of ANY significant voter fraud. If you disagree, just produce it, to prove your point.

3) The measures being employed by Republican legislatures have little to do with voter I.D. How does the legislature eliminating the state's Secretary, as its top elections official, apply to voter I.D.? Or how does allowing the taking of the running of elections out of local hands, & putting it into partisan, state ones, help with voter I.D.? You realize, I assume, that both major Parties already have an equal number of poll watchers, verifying that all votes are properly handled & accurately transmitted?

The fact is that if this were not just a pretext, Republicans could work with Democrats, to craft voter I.D. requirements, that did not disadvantage any particular group.

 

So basically you aren't interested in secure elections unless I prove there is an issue? Next time a person tells me to mask up, I'll tell them, "prove I have COVID"!

 

Straw man argument; but well-played, I'll give you that.

You did not accurately reflect what I'd said. You put forth the fiction (which you may believe) that all these election laws have to do with voter I.D. I replied that this concern could be addressed with Democrats, in a way that did not disadvantage any particular group. I also mentioned a couple of the changes undertaken by Republican legislatures that have nothing to do w/ voter I.D., and everything to do with making it easier to throw out the votes of legitimate voters.

 

No one cares.

 

I say so.

 

You see the world through a right of center lens, which filters out what I see.

However, my favorite quote comes to mind:

And reality has a well-known liberal bias --Stephen Colbert at the 2006 White House Correspondents' Dinner

 

"y'all' --- I was born in Texas and raised until puberty in Mississippi

It's our word for 'you' or you in the plural, either one.

 

Yeah, that's why I lean left on all political tests that I have ever taken.



But don't worry, its quite common for a certain segment of those on the left to believe that anyone that doesn't agree with them leans right of center so at least you're not alone.

 

I am familiar with the term you used in y'alls sweeping generalization fallacy.

 

The claim of the GOP trying to throw out legitimate voters is a fabrication, an out right lie. The last voter ID law from NC included free IDs and allowed for multiple avenues to prove your ID and citizenship status. The only reason a person could not get the ID is because they werent who they claim to be. No one else has an excuse short of being too lazy to get one. That's no excuse in my book. I work hard to learn each candidate before making a decision. My decision effects others as well and I try to be cognisant of that fact. You want me to feel bad because, lazy people who will make uneducated decisions that impact the people I love and care about, might choose to not go through the small effort to get an ID? Too bad. I don't. That's their choice. I won't risk the integrity of our election system to get lazy people to vote.

 

Sometimes Maher is too wrapped to see the real peril. The real peril is uncontrolled mail in ballots that don't tie back to actual voter behavior, and can be entirely artificially fabricated. That actually is peril. One vote, show up, and vote. Simple stuff. Absentee ballots must be validated for just cause and still go through an actual review for them to be counted. When mail in ballots are sent to illegal aliens, and they have been, see CA. we see just how under thought this kind of process is, and just how available to fraud it is.

 

Literally this is what the term BS was devised for. Thanks for such an excellent example of it. Democrats have yearned for autocracy for centuries. It's what makes the Plantation work. The only folks I ever see trying to change the nation i a manner that represents your statement are democrats. Each and every day.

 

I test the same and have never registered as a republican. The left right split seems like its rotating into more of a authoritarian/ libertarian split as far as political parties go.

 

you disagree with me on just about everything, it seems.

Therefore, it's perfectly reasonable for me to conclude you are right of center.

 

There is no evidence of fraud, and mail in voting has been done since the civil war. Only under Trump, has it become a big deal, all of the sudden.

 

Only it wasn't a Democrat that FALSELY claimed, begining long before the election was held, that the election was stolen. It wasn't Democrats that tried to hamper voting by slowing down the US Mail or only allowing one drop box per county in Texas which has some of the biggest counties in the nation. It wasn't Democrats that stormed our Capitol, threatened our legislators and wipe their **** on it's walls. It's not Democrats that have only one plank in their presidential platform, Donald Judas tRump, or one requirement to run for office, be endorsed by Donald Judas tRump.

Democrats have NEVER been a threat to the Constitution, but tRump and his tRumpublicans sure as hell have. Now that's some "bullshit" right there.

 

I suppose you can always say that. It simply ignores reality. And because you won't address reality, why address your opinions at all? You're like the folks who claim that open carry causes more homicides. You ignore reality to push an agenda that you know is harmful to the nation. Why? I won't guess, but you do this a lot.

 

No? Never heard of Liz Warrne? No? Amy Klobachar? no? Bernie Sanders perhaps? You don't just get to make up history on the fly. And this is the excuse folks, like you use because only you can "know" the truth. Only you can "define" language, etc. What a historic low for you and team.

 

And no one has any objection to THAT law. So you are still using straw men.

Then how do you explain the laws that give the legislature power to replace local election workers with partisan appointees (for just one example)?