Was Google right to sack anti-Diversity engineer?

Here ya go
http://quillette.com/2017/08/07/google-memo-four-scientists-respond/
Where are your contrary scientific papers?
(Hint: There has been no technical rebuttal to his memo points.)

 

Because the cry-bullies at work would bully him?
They need to get rid of the cry-bullies, rather than their victims.

 

Hint : he had no technical data......your "site" is a blog....or something....not proof of anything.

 

The issue is that Google is a place of employment. As such the company sets the rules and guides the culture. Most large companies want a culture free of intimidation and discrimination. There is no such thing as democracy or freedom of speech in large companies.

An employee where I work (Fortune 500 company) who circulated what he did would be terminated for a several reasons: 1) it's not his place to be circulating something like that on company time to company employees using company infrastructure such as the email system, 2) it violates several policies around diversity, and 3) it publicly embarrasses the company and detracts from the brand.

Generally speaking I think there's a place for opinions and comments the Google employee espoused and I don't think a person should be bullied or publicly shamed for doing so. But at work it's an offence that gets an employee fired and it should be.

 

Its not spin.
There is a problem at the very core of this issue:
If the sexes are the same, then there is no economic argument for sexual diversity.

 

Its written by expert professors in the field.I raised this becuase it directly addressed the memo in question:

The author of the Google essay on issues related to diversity gets nearly all of the science and its implications exactly right.

Where is your technical rebuttal?

This is an attack on science. Google is anti-science.

And so, if I may be bold, are you...

 

If he was working for Cosmo magazine maybe, but Google set itself up as pro-science and free speech.

It is antithetical to Google's reputation for high-quality technical expertise to suppress reasonable conclusions drawn from scientific analysis on the basis that they do not accord with its social policy.

 

So you don't think a corporation has any right to fire employees...funny, they do... it's their playing field

And if they don't believe employees should attack other employees then they have a right to fire the attacker.....


If I had sent an inter-company email that said men pouted and attacked like spoiled children when passed over for a promotion, I would expect to be fired.

 

If he said the exact same thing about a minority would the reactions have been the same?

 

Could you please identify where in the memo Damore attacks any fellow employees?

Even the NYT has realized the Google thought-control police went too far

Sundar Pichai Should Resign as Google’s C.E.O.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/11/opinion/sundar-pichai-google-memo-diversity.html?_r=0

“Despite how it’s been portrayed, the memo was fair and factually accurate,” Debra Soh wrote in The Globe and Mail in Toronto.

 

The memo didn't say anything original or outrageous. The usual sputtering liberal outrage about trivial matters while ignoring more important neoliberal outrages (i.e. dirty drinking water in Flint) and Googles overreaction made it much bigger deal than it deserved to be.

 

They, and you, have a right to their opinion....as do I, it was attacking women.

Do you want Big Government intervention in how this corporation forms it's policies?

 

If such statements were scientifically supported to the extent that sexual differences are, then I imagine both sides would be hammering it out in the same way. I don't think there is the same degree of technical support for inter-racial differences, though.

I did have an interesting argument with someone when some study was released about black learning maybe 5 years or more ago. The modern concept of a public schooling is only about 250 years old, and was essentially created in Europe and the US. One would assume it is structured in favor of white kids. So if there is data showing that black kids are not performing as well, I think its fair to study that and try to help structure learning that is more friendly to their needs. But that would be racist. Even if you looked at children blind of race, if the study worked out that types of psychology should have different streams, and if there are real underlying racial differences, then over time the balance of students in each stream would start to have racial biases. So what is the solution? Let black kids fail? (we didn't resolve, the study ended up being bunk)

SO what we have here is that women are not entering tech degrees in ratio to the general population and female retention in the industry is awful.

Apparently in Russia and China this is not a problem in their tech industries. Now name one female Russian oligarch. (The closest you get is Baturina and she's just the front for her husband, the Moscow mayor). Or a Chinese female politician (there are some, but way underrepresented in power and number (considering the female work participation rate)).
These are total "boys club" societies, and they have ZERO gender equality rules. So how come they DON'T have the same gender gaps in software engineering?

Women used to totally dominate the software engineering industry in the West, so it wasn't an absence of role models that caused this problem.

Google's answer was to skew hiring practices to flood the business with female techs of lower quality. Damore argued that changing the working dynamics might prove more effective in attracting the best female talent, without resorting to discriminatory hiring practices.

 

Really? So Google employees can say anything at work can they? Got something along the lines of a corporate policy that backs that?

 

Who is the victim? He just mouthed off, and now he would have to work with the people that he dissed.

 

The memo did no such thing. It argued that diversity should not be achieved through discriminatory hiring practices, and in arguing tfor different "carrots and sticks", highlighted that scientific studies have shown that women and men are different.
If there is no difference, then diversity would not be something to strive for.

If you think being different to a man is an insult, then you, I'm afraid, are the misogynist.

 

That was the purpose of the site on which he posted the memo.

 

He didn't just "mouth off", he offered a well-considered, and referenced, argument for debate.

He didn't "diss" anyone, either. He was talking about trends across large populations.

Lets say we look at sexual trends for physical attributes:
Women tend to have longer hair than men and are shorter. (1 social construction and 1 biological trait, to be fair)
That is not saying that every woman has long hair and is shorter than every man.

And yeah, who is the victim here? Because I see one guy who lost his job. Any other victims? Some people taking days off for their feelings? that must have been hard!

 

More than half Google Employees don't agree he should have been fired

http://uk.businessinsider.com/many-...amore-should-have-been-fired-2017-8?r=US&IR=T

So Google cancels its "town hall" meeting on the subject.

Way to go for honest debate, Google!

 

Their corporate policy was clear about the work place environment, which he have now created chaos. It's funny though....Colin Kaepernick didn't stand for the National Anthem and those on the right wants the NFL to fine him and fire him, yet they are protecting this man's right to "free speech." Hypocrisy much? You can't have it both ways. Make up your mind!

 

Who cares what the NYT thinks? Under his leadership, Google's profit have been growing many folds. His responsibility is to the stockholders, not one single employee who have violated the workplace policy he agreed to.

 

If sexual discrimination didn't exist, there would be no "diversity"....

 

Google = Evil

 

I agree that he should not have been fired, if you will look at my first post. My point was to let him deal with the women who work with him. They may be pissed off and make his life miserable. Let's say that we look at the law, and not about sexual trends. A NY State judge has ruled that the animosity was so great that the situation was untenable and that the termination was justified for that reason.
This could very well happen in this case.

 

I am not on the right. I have distanced myself from the left because of this kind of insane anti-science, totalitarian, group-think hyperbole that's infested the Left like a cancer.

This boy posted on a site set up by Google for its staff to discuss diversity. If you want to discuss diversity, don't sack people for having diverse views!