We Are Being Eaten From Within

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    And if you've seen the list of incidents compiled by the ADL, it's pretty laughable. Lot's of shoehorning.
     
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    You could say the same about 9/11. Yet we are spending trillions trying to keep it from happening again.
    You can put your shoes on now. :)
     
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    Not even close. These "tragedies" (atrocities would be a more fitting and accurate term) because murderers choose to make them exist.

    To further illustrate the flaw in your argument, my state (Virginia) has already adopted the proposal that many misguided people mistakenly believe will solve this problem - instant background checks - but that didn't stop a man who passed one from murdering 12 people in Virginia Beach earlier this year. Furthermore, those background checks (which I support and have complied with when purchasing a firearm) aren't going to stop the murders that are committed by criminals who obtain their guns illegally and never will.

    This brings us to the violence that is responsible for much of the gun-related deaths in this country, and anyone who is willing to look at this situation honestly will find that it is merely a symptom of what Senator Daniel Patrick Moynihan warned about in 1965 when his fellow Democrats were passing their Great Society and War on Poverty social welfare programs:

    From the wild Irish slums of the 19th century Eastern seaboard, to the riot-torn suburbs of Los Angeles, there is one unmistakable lesson in American history; a community that allows a large number of men to grow up in broken families, dominated by women, never acquiring any stable relationship to male authority, never acquiring any set of rational expectations about the future -- that community asks for and gets chaos. Crime, violence, unrest, disorder -- most particularly the furious, unrestrained lashing out at the whole social structure -- that is not only to be expected; it is very near to inevitable.

    So, WHO is responsible for THAT?

    This is one of the biggest problems that is preventing us from making progress on this issue - a lot of people don't want to confront that question, much less answer it. No one wants to take PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY.

    There are millions of people in this country who lawfully and peacefully exercise their Second Amendment rights every day. If guns were the problem instead of people there wouldn't be a person left alive in this country. Furthermore, Americans have exercised their 2A rights since the dawn of the Republic, and while firearms have always been prevalent and accessible in this country, these shootings didn't start happening until recently. Why is that?

    You want to solve this problem? Focus on people, not guns.
     
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    LafayetteBis Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    None of the above alters the fact that America is one of the riskiest nations on earth in which to live - so high is the prevalent threat of death from guns.

    You can argue as long as you want - but it all comes down to that very simple consequence. Which means, effectively, the US is not the nicest place on earth to live.

    But for as long as people continue to believe the malarkey about the "US being the best of the best" attitudes wont change. America has some very serious problems, but - as with any sickness - there are no valid cures for those who think they are not sick and therefore don't need any cure ...
     
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    LafayetteBis Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    And just for the factual evidence: Since 2001, only twelve public events qualify as "Islamist-provoked fatalities*"

    Which is hardly a significant amount.

    *From here.
     
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    LafayetteBis Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Would you please demonstrate an ounce of intelligence by showing why any factual evidence you have is of any real importance.

    If not, just go away, and leave your one-liner sarcasm at home. There is no place for it in a "Debate* Forum" ...

    *I suggest you look up the definition of the word debate.
     
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    yes, blaming all Muslims or Christians for the terrorists attacks would be wrong, some people from those groups do due bad things, like ISIS, Al-Qaeda and White Nationalists
     
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    Why aren't they blaming Cummings?
     
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    Huh? You pull this opinion out of which crazy fantasy:) Maybe if you live in the hood. One of the riskiest to live in? Hehe
     
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    The El Paso shooter titled his manifesto after Al Gore's book "The Inconvenient Truth" and ranted about corporations and blamed humans for polluting the planet with plastics and blamed humans for deforestation. Those are left-wing talking points. The El Paso shooter was a left-wing racist.
     
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    Please, please for the love of God, spread this message to Latin America. Let them know the hell world they are coming to. Let them know they will not be safe. Tell them it is better for them to stay where they are. America is crawling with white supremacists and gun nutters, it is no country for peaceful Latinos trying to become "undocumented" Americans. If people like you could get the word out, many lives would be saved.
     
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    I doubt that's a fact at all. Furthermore, I live in a rural area where most people, including myself, possess a firearm for hunting, target shooting and/or home defense, but we don't have any gun violence out here at all. How is that? If guns and the prevalence of guns were the problem, the gun violence in our area would be astronomical instead of non-existent.

    Well, your generalization doesn't count for much because some areas of the United States are amongst the nicest places on earth to live. I happen to live in one of them.

    I was also born in Chicago, which has earned the sobriquet Chiraq in recent years. While parts of the Windy City are nice, some aren't the nicest places on earth to live.

    So, why the discrepancy? The rural area I live in today is mixed-race and most of us live modestly, much like the folks in Chicago, so I don't think race and income are the issues. Gun ownership is prevalent in both communities, as well, so that can't be the issue. So, what is it?

    Good grief, Lafayette - we know we have problems in this country and we know we have sicknesses infecting our people, communities and culture. What I've been trying to tell you all this time is that the latter is responsible for the former.

    Everything I have pointed out to you, the good co-existing alongside the bad, and all the questions I've put in front of you are intended to get you to think this through and figure it out on your own.

    For example, the gun violence in Chicago is a symptom of many of the underlying problems that Senator Moynihan warned his fellow Democrats about back in 1965. The reason why the symptom of gun violence doesn't exist where I live today is because the underlying problems that produce it don't exist where I live today.

    If all you want to do is bash America, fine - knock yourself out. What I'm trying to impart to you is some insight into how and why this problem is enormously more complex than you and many others think it is.
     
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    So much awesome it brought a tear to my eye...
     
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    Such would be more readily believed, if not for the numerous caravans of tens of thousands of individuals fleeing to the united states to try and claim asylum from their home countries.
     
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    But one of them had 2977 direct fatalities and continued indirect fatalities.
     
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    No gun law, no matter how strict would have stopped this.
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    166 dead including 19 very young children.

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    Guns are not the central reason as the left wants you to believe. It's the lack of parenting that starts at infancy, it's the lack of discipline that starts at pre school and it's the lack of self esteem and self worth that starts in high school. Why the hell are the majority of mass shooters under 25 and still living at home?
     
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    Or 9/11.
     
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    9/11 was actually a masterminded 5 year executed plan. The Oklahoma City bombing was a single person that rented a truck then purchased ammonia and fertilizer containing nitrate. Both products readily available in mass quantities at any Home Depot.
     
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    Two people planned the Oklahoma City Bombing and it was planned over a two year span in response to the Ruby Ridge and Waco massacres...

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oklahoma_City_bombing
     
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    As a white person there are certainly "hoods" I cannot walk in without being attacked. Can any of the libs here name a place in the US where black people cannot walk without being attacked. Just askin.
     
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    Being attacked by other black individuals, or just in general?
     
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    There are lots of places in the USA where black people get challenged for walking around in them both by neighborhood associations and by police,Wasn't that hw George Zimmer shot and killed the 17 year old black kid in Florida?
     
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    Should say GEORGE ZIMMERMAN in the above post!!!
     
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    The lion's den at the city zoo? I'm not a lib so my answer is for humor only
     

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