We are moving beyond the torture that GBush, Jesus, and Mohammad approved of.

First off, you are wrong on all counts, as always. What exactly did the Church Fathers preach that is wrong? I am not even sure you know what the Church Fathers DID preach. I don't remember them saying much of anything about the creation story except for the fact that we are here, after all, and that much is indisputable.

I don't know who these faithless Priests and pastors you speak of are, because that does not match my experience. All of the young men I know are enthusiastic and very much dedicated to their ministries, not to your claims. You don't even ask the right questions so you get the wrong answers, and that is why you fail. If you don't want to be a Jew, don't be one. None of that has anything to do with me, my faith, or MY ministry. I don't know how you could have claimed to be around the Church as much as you have and not know of what you speak, because let's make one thing clear: I have no regrets, and I never will. You can spend the rest of your life in your bitterness, not me.

 

Its my belief, and as I have written many times, there is no definitive objective proof of any religion. Everyone evaluates and makes their own choice.

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No, you claim the test is not fair is based on your sense of common human decency and your limited assessment of religion. Many others disagree with you.

 

Another evasion. The screed I wrote about the Bible has been ignored again. You're so tied into your religious beliefs you cannot bear to study outside those beliefs for fear of finding you might be wrong.

http://clergyproject.org/

These are all on the Internet.

2% of C.of E priests do not believe in God, and 16% are agnostic according to a poll by the Independent.

Dutch rethink Christianity for a doubtful world 1 in 6 Priests are atheist or agnostic http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-14417362

There are dozens of sites about 'faithless' Priests. I have 2 friends who are local Vicars and their views are not the 'laid down' Anglican views. Whilst believing in God they've studied the Bible are in some cases are of the same opinion as I am.

The problem is not my asking the right questions, it's your fear of answering questions. I ask you again - how could Israel raise 800,000 soldiers to fight Judah's 500,000 soldiers when even the Assyrian and Babylonians could not raise a fraction of that. The very thought of 1,300,000 soldiers fighting each other hand-to-hand is ridiculous. 2,500,000+ Hebrews marching through the desert in the order commanded by Jahweh? Impossible and impractical. Jesus being in Nazareth and Egypt at the same time. Now that is a miracle.

Bitterness? I'm free from believing the impossible, so why should I be bitter?

I'm not a Jew. I am English through and through.

I reciprocate. Your understanding of the 'real' Bible is sadly lacking.

As a matter of interest I attended my first Sunday School during the second world war. Taken by a Christian mother, while my father was a way fighting. We then attended as a family.

Hyppolitus, Iranaeus, Origen, Clement, Lactantius, Augustine and others all commented on the creation.

 

Of course serious scholars including religious scholars, archeologists, geologists, historians know.. as do most priests and pastors..

 

I get so sick of hearing the bolded part from people who don't even know me that I could puke.

FYI, I have been through atheism, agnosticism, paganism, and all of the nutty belief systems that come from those - new age, pseudo-spirituality, you name it. I've been a Baptist, a Pentecostal, and a Lutheran, and it all came around full circle to where I am now, so I must ask you to speak for yourself, sir. This ain't my first rodeo.

When you can tell me what your misconceptions have to do with my salvation, I'll consider it. I know from reading your posts that you are a literal truther, every Fundamentalist Baptist I know would be proud. But you're still missing the forest for the trees.

Then why do you obsess over ancient Jewish writings?

I know that the C of E/Episcopal Church is a mess, but England is part of Europe (for the time being) and Europe is also a faithless place. The Episcopal Church is full of Spong disciples, why should it's faithlessness surprise me?

Wow, an layman telling a Priest he doesn't understand the Bible. Never had that happen before.

It's too bad you lost your faith. Now if you'll excuse me, I have to get ready for services.

 

There are no gods other than those we invented in order to attempt to explain the otherwise inexplicable when we were ignorant and primitive. Sadly many millions still prefer to remain ignorant and primitive whilst praying to their imaginations.

 

Something for you to think about today: at the very least you have made me realize just how grateful I am for the gift I have been given.

 

Still avoiding my questions. They're not misconceptions. If the Bible is true why do these impossibilities exist.

Jewish writings hold the key to whether Christianity is a true, or false, religion. If you believe that, as I do having studied the Tanakh, and as the Jews do, that there is no mention of Jesus in the Tanakh, then Christianity is built on - as the Bible says - on sand. Whatever you believe or want to believe will have no base.

I see no reference to Jesus in the Tanakh. All Christianity has done is taken passages and verses to create their beliefs. The Tanakh stands complete in itself.

I'm firmly of the belief that if Constantine had not taken control of many different sects and ordered a consolidation, Christianity, if anything existed at all, would have disintegrated in many various forms and sects. It needed a concensus of opinion to produce doctrine. Of course, you could say that consensus was divinely inspired. I suspect a bit of coersion produced the result, especially as those who objected were thrown out.
Christianity misguidedly came from Jewish Scriptures. Jewish scriptures were tainted by other religions. Islam followed the path of Mohammed supposedly guided by Gabriel, and later religions all have the same 'spiritual' awakening.

Trust you had a good service.

 

You play the ad hom fallacy and card, because you have no refutation to the scripture I posted in relation to the message of Jesus. Standing on a soapbox crying "I'm a priest and so I am right" is not an argument for much.

Demonizing the messenger because you can't handle the message is not refutation to much.

That Gentiles were welcome into the Kingdom was not the primary message of Jesus and you have provided no scripture to back up your claim.

Did you have support for your claim other than ad hom fallacy and demonization ?

 

I haven't posted any ad homs, that's just what people like you claim whenever anybody disagrees. You simply don't know what you are talking about, and if you actually knew scripture, I wouldn't HAVE to "prove" anything to you, so scriptural support is irrelevant. If you don't believe it when the NT tells you, how am I going to change your mind?

 

You don't really expect to get a relevant answer do you? Most questions on the Bible are ignored.

 

It was pretty decent, thank you.

Of course the Jews say Christianity has no basis in Judaism, what do you expect them to say? The ones who actually know their own scriptures have converted, Jews like Paul and most of the apostles. But according to you, you know better. Why should I even give you the time of day?

Constantine was trying to unite the empire, he couldn't have cared less about Christianity, all he wanted was a consensus, again, to unite the empire. So spare me the tinfoil hat conspiracy theories, Christianity won out because it made the most sense, and all of your "if, if, if" doesn't amount to a hill of beans. History is what it is, and I am sorry it didn't turn out the way you wanted it to.

That makes you a sore loser.

 

Most priests I have chatted with are not even good apologists and from that experience, I would say that all priests and imams are liars and they know it.

Regards
DL

 

So his truths are outrageous. Ok.

Which of his comments do you not agree with?

Or do you just believe in all kinds of miracles and other fantasies?

Regards
DL

 

As an aside.

Care to comment about God coveting Mary, another man's woman, cuckolding Joseph and then beacoming a deadbeat dad by abandoning his son?

Do you think that to be a good example for us?

After all, we are to emulate God. Right?

Be ye as perfect etc.

Regards
DL

 

Care to comment on where you get these idiotic ideas? I know of no branch of Gnosticism that teaches this stuff. Oh, weird they are, but not this weird.

 

No, it's your belief, so knock off the trolling.

 

What is this? The New Testament according to South Park or Saturday Night live? How utterly beyond sophomoric.

 

Not my belief at all but again you show how poor of an apologist you are.

It must come with ignorant belief in the supernatural.

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DL

 

But all within Christian belief.

Note that you nor our other friend refuted or denied any of it.

I see a lot of that hypocrisy from theists.

Regards
DL

 

That makes it strange that Judaism still exists today. Why did Constantine split the Empire in the first place? And religious wise it is still split today.

There are always those who convert from one religion etc to another.You yourself have transferred several times. As I told you, I am not Jewish, but I go along with the orthodox belief that Judaism is fulfilled in the Tanakh. There is NO reference to a Christian Messiah in the Tanakh.

Christianity won out because it had the authority of the 'State' behind it and persecuted other beliefs. The Church maintained it's authority by various means of threats of hell and damnation for unbelievers, by leaders who were murderers and unsavoury characters. There's nothing like Torquemada and his friends to keep people in order. Nothing is easier that to keep the illiterate populous under control by telling them what they must believe. By not allowing them to read the Bible. Christianity is losing out because people today can read and think for themselves.

I'd still like to know how Israel managed to find 800,000 soldiers from it's small state to fight 400,000 soldiers from an even smaller state, when Empires couldn't muster a fraction of that number. AND the 400,000 beat the 800,000 by killing 500,000 of them - because God was with them. Wow. Battle of the Millenia.
Or how 2,500,000+ Hebrews marched through a dry shrubland and a desert and survived for 40 years (long time), fought an enemy that didn't exist etc etc.
Or how Jesus was in Nazareth at the same time he was in Egypt. Still, It must be true because the Bible is true.
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Belief that a man was the Son of a supernatural being makes sense?

I'm glad you said 'History is what it is' because it's history that refutes some of the events of the Bible.

Sore loser? No I'm a winner. I'm not tied down with the burden of believing in a supernatural being and what he wants of me. The Jews have it right. It's what we do here that counts, not doing it for any afterlife.

 

OK, son, as long as you define what Christian belief is. But, you don't, and so you remain on a little island with your juvenile thoughts. Bye-bye.

 

Tell us. If Christianity made so much sense, why did Christians grow their religions with murder and the burning of other scriptures?

Why were inquisitions needed instead of just good old teaching of your theology?

Usually, good ideas are accepted without being force by pain of murder.

Regards
DL

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What is juvenile, son, is to deny that Christians believe that God used Mary to reproduce.

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DL

 

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You are out of your mind.