We finally hear from the Mueller team

What is not in dispute is that millions of Americans are thankful it was Trump elected president.

 

From Sandys Politico report source --- not his article though

 

I think Donald Trump is going to ask William Barr to redact 6 out of 10 Americans that don't like him

Just make them disappear with a black sharpie

 

Of course there is the fact that firing Comey, a political appointee, obstructed nothing.

 

Sandy Shanks said: ↑
“I think spying on a political campaign is a big deal,” Barr told Senators. “I think spying did occur, yes,” because of a probable “failure among a group of leaders in the upper echelon” of the FBI."

This actually is a rather farfetched notion. No doubt Barr said it to an audience of one. Trump has been saying the very same thing for months.

It is a rather incredulous far right conspiracy that makes no sense.

Who conducted the spying? Well, according to Barr and Trump, the Trump administration, meaning the DOJ and the FBI, which was led by Trump appointees. The theory then speculates that two FBI lovers who were sending love notes (text messages) to each other were the leaders of this coup attempt. The theory bases the accusation on the contents of the love notes.

The theory goes to say that members of this revolutionary group included multiple federal judges who issued FISA warrants strictly on the basis of the Steele Dossier.

Devin Nunes, the former chairman of the House Intelligence Committee believed all this B.S., and he investigated the conspiracy theory for two years. He got nowhere. There is no report of his findings because there was nothing to report.

 

Barr seems to be suggesting that he is concerned about how the Russian investigation got started. By using the incendiary term, "spying," rather warranted surveillance, he is intimating that there might be something untoward about the investigation of the Trump campaign team and Trump himself.

The investigation got started during the Obama administration, so it is reasonable to assume that the "spying" was conducted to do serious harm to Trump and his candidacy.

That is ludicrous for one very simple reason.

Voters were not informed that the FBI was investigating the Trump campaign for possible collaboration with the Russian government until after the election.

If this shadow group of government officials wanted to harm the Trump campaign, why in the world did they keep their investigation secret from the voter?

On the other hand, these very same government officials who Barr thinks spied on the Trump campaign made no secret of the fact that the FBI was investigating Hillary Clinton. That certainly did serious harm to the Clinton campaign.

That certainly helped the Trump campaign a great deal, and reopening the closed investigation of Clinton eleven days before the election contributed heavily to Clinton's defeat.

The Obama administration spying on the Trump campaign makes absolutely no sense at all. Yet, Trump's Attorney General of the United States believes it is a possibility. Trump and his fans believe this ludicrous right wing conspiracy theory because they need to counter the damaging Mueller Report with something.

 

Once again, Trump's fans have given up. They cannot argue with the reality of posts 205 and 206.

One has to wonder why they continue to support Trump. They can't defend him.

 

But by god you sure can attack the man.

 

No and now Sandy is chewing his cud using Barr. Then he alleges we do not defend Trump.

My view is that elitists believe they are superior to Trump so run down Trump. I thought at first it was their inferiority complexes doing it.

 

Just because you are uninformed about the facts does not mean I am wrong.

 

According to Sandy, Barr is defending Trump. If that is actually true, Mr. Barr, I salute you. Apparently they believe too that Mueller defended Trump. Good for Mueller.

 

All of the players, suspected of spying, thought hillary would win, and most of this nation assumed hillary would win. And any criminality that they may have done, in spying, would never be known.

When this spying began, because it was suspected russia might be trying to get into the trump campaign, the usual protocol is to notify the trump campaign, of the possibility of russians. But of course, they never happened. So, clearly, this was not to protect a presidential candidate from russia spies, but something else.

I believe what the FBI did, along with intel, was against trump, and it even is related to russiagate. And if you want to get a rational, logical view of this, where it makes sense, here, a long time intel analyst, a liberal democrat, lays it out quite well. Of course, if you do not want to believe it, no matter how reasonable it is, will not make a difference. But it is far more reasonable than what you are purveying, and unlike you, these retired intel people actually understand how this sort of thing works, whereas, you have quite a deficit there.



And for creds, this group of retired intel men, called BS on the intel that led us into Iraq, and unlike most in DC and most in the MSM, they were smart enough to realize what was going on. These guys go after repubs and dems alike, although most of them are old liberal democrats, concerned with the truth over partisanship. So you may not see eye to eye with them, given IMO, you are the latter.

 

Barr is suggesting the possibility that an investigation of the Trump campaign by the Obama administration was done to harm the Trump campaign.

Seems logical, only voters never learned that the Trump campaign was being investigated until after the election. But they sure knew about the FBI investigation of Clinton.

If Trump was to be harmed, why keep the investigation a secret? That makes no sense.

The FBI had a legal reason to investigate the Trump campaign. Some are suggesting the FBI's investigation was illegal. That is absurd. Their surveillance was handled with warrants. That makes it legal. So does this.

About a month before the U.S. election, the Office of the Director of National Intelligence and the Department of Homeland Security issued this statement.

“The U.S. Intelligence Community (USIC) is confident that the Russian Government directed the recent compromises of emails from US persons and institutions, including from US political organizations. The recent disclosures of alleged hacked e-mails on sites like DCLeaks.com and WikiLeaks and by the Guccifer 2.0 online persona are consistent with the methods and motivations of Russian-directed efforts. These thefts and disclosures are intended to interfere with the US election process.”

That makes it legal. So, why keep it a secret if the intent was to harm Trump? Barr's "spying" scenario is pure nonsense.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...-in-the-2016-election/?utm_term=.3b320aba2856

 

You have it backwards. We know from Goldtone's emails that the Russian government contacted key members of the Trump campaign like Trump's son, Trump's son-in-law, and Trump's campaign manager. The Trump campaign should have reported this contact to the FBI.

They did not. Instead, Junior said he would love to meet with the Russian operatives.

Of course, as shown, the presidential candidate's team wanted to work with the Russian spies. There are numerous examples of this. Another key member of the team, Senator Jeff Sessions, met with the Russian ambassador, once in his office. Another key member, Michael Flynn, made a deal with the Russian government for Trump in December 2016.

There is more, but you get the point.

Here we agree. They were investigating possible collaboration between the Russian government and the Trump campaign. As you can see, they had their reasons for doing so.

 

Ray McGovern leads the “Speaking Truth to Power” section of Tell the Word, a publishing arm of the ecumenical Church of the Saviour in inner-city Washington.

Don't ecumenicals think Trump is the Second Coming?

Good source.