We Were "This Close" Says Iran

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  1. Gilos

    Gilos Well-Known Member

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    I would LOVE to hear just what is "US/Israeli hegemony in the region" ?
    What does Jordan and Egypt suffer from this US/Israeli hegemony ? what does Iran has to deal with if it had to succumb to the "US/Israeli hegemony" ?
    What is it ? and please don't go to the greater Israel nonsense....neither Jordan or Egypt been made to give up their countries for Israel.
     
  2. Iranian Monitor

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    Iran is not worried about giving up territory to Israel, but to giving up its independence and sovereignty to the US and seeing its neighborhood under US/Israeli hegemony. In the meantime, there is simply nothing about either example you gave that would appeal to anyone in Iran anyway.

    More fundamentally, and looking at it from a broader, historical, perspective, since you mention Egypt, let me say this too: the ancient Egyptian civilization predated Iran's but was conquered by the Persian empire and, thereafter, over the years, lost all its connection to its people. After the Persian empire, Egypt fell to various outside forces and became a part of the Roman/Byzantine empire, with Egypt becoming part of the Hellenic world. The Arabs then came along and conquered Egypt. The Egyptians then became Arabs. Contrast that with Iran.

    Iran's political history starts with the first true global empire: the empire of the Achaemenids. This empire was conquered by Alexander, but even when Hellenism was in vogue, Iran eventually rejected both Greek and Macedonian rulers and Hellenic culture. Instead, it fought under the flag of IRAN and, for over seven centuries, stopped Rome and the Byzantine empire from extending their rule to Iran. When the Arabs conquered Iran, even when the Persians adopted the Muslim faith, they did not become Arabs. They resisted becoming Arabs and, in fact, by eventually rallying under the Shia banner, they rejected the legitimacy of any other ruler who had ruled the "Islamic world". They instead went back to developing their own heritage and traditions, taking what they wanted from outside and rejecting what they didn't want. Eventually, the Persianate culture of IRAN actually became the dominant culture of the "Muslim world", with the Arabs who had brought Islam to the various countries in the world, themselves being sidelined, with Arabia itself becoming a backwater again.

    Maybe that resistance, this time around, will not bear fruit. Maybe the forces arrayed against Iran this time around are simply too powerful. But besides the fact that the examples you give will not be all that appealing to Iranians (the only one with any real appeal, outside mini-sheikdoms such as Dubai, would be Edrogan's Turkey in some ways), there is something in the historical DNA of Iran which makes it a country that readily absorbs and take from foreign influences and, yet, rejects any aspect of such foreign influence that would deprive it of its heritage, identity and which would encroach on its sphere and independence.
     
  3. Gilos

    Gilos Well-Known Member

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    But it's sooo vague, you are willing to go to war over something you can't even put your finger on, I'm not patronizing you my country has the same feel of losing everything less we heed the leader....
    I didn't give examples I just asked you what to you think those countries that once were part of US/Isr enemies had to lose or give up to become "friends" or at least not enemies ? and does that justify a life of struggle with #1 power of the world ?

    How can you lose your culture ? the only thing at risk and I know that from our own religious orthodox is that by opening to the West ppl will draw farther from restrictions and become more secular, your music, art, food and anything else wont be affected, you've been "open" once before....
     

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