We're now funding Russia's war against Ukraine

That person is so easily proven wrong.... It's what happens when all you have is propaganda and talking points and edited videos

 

We export more than we import, which was (in 2019) used to define "energy independence". So, id we were independent then, we are independent today.

Correct.

Yep

Why the U.S. Must Import and Export Oil
https://www.api.org/news-policy-and-issues/blog/2018/06/14/why-the-us-must-import-and-export-oil

 

What makes you think the oil we drill would get sold to us?

 

That's a good point.... Zero confidence in that with the current war on energy president

 

Again, that simply means net exporter.
That doesn’t mean energy independent

I thought liberals were the ones that struggled with definitions but this week has shown me both sides have an issue.

 

My friend you seem to be incorrect on these assertions. Any refinery capable of refining sour or heavy crude can refine sweet crude. Sweet vs Sour places demand on the sulfur recovery unit and sweeter feedstock simply places less demand on the SRU. Light vs. Heavy crude means that the delayed coker unit is underutilized when the feedstock isn't coming from Canada's tar sands or Venzuela's Orinoco reservoirs. There are also different demands placed on the all of the units in the refinery for total optimization between feedstocks and product slates. I'm by no means an expert on this stuff, but I am close to it and very interested in discussions about it. Yes, it is true that US refineries are not going to run at an optimum profit using only WTI type feedstocks, but that is not the same thing as asserting that they are incapable of refining it as it's one of the easiest crude feeds to refine. There are some crude oils that are so light and sweet you could almost use them straight out of the upstream pipe for lube oil.

Sorry to pile on ya babe, but it is what it is regarding facts about crude oil. KSA controls the price, PERIOD. They can unilaterally determine the price of it literally by opening or closing their valves. There is no OPEC or OPEC+ anymore in as far as the KSA does whatever it wants but of course it attempts to optimize the outcome of its decisions. Sadara for example is a very important component of their strategy and its primary feedstock I expect is free aside from internal Aramco accounting.

Amusing this thread's premise, I think US imports of just about anything from Russia are not happening right now.
This link seems to support my understanding of the current situation with US fossil reserve economics:

https://www.eia.gov/petroleum/imports/companylevel/

 

I enjoy being educated, that‘s why I enjoy conversing with posters that are able to voice facts with sources instead of screaming their opinion as fact. (I am sure you have noticed that seems to be rare here)

I have gotten my information from places like this on what it means to be energy independent and most of them say we still are. There is some disagreement on what it means to be energy independent however.

As to my sources on refining capability and why we are exporting even as we are producing more than we use, that comes from sources like this: https://www.nasdaq.com/articles/ame...-meet-its-needs-so-why-do-we-import-crude?amp

I am far from an expert on any of this, a loose understanding at best — but the fact remains no matter how much oil the US produces our gas prices are based on global factors and as long as we have no controls on pricing that will continue to be the case.

 

It’s like you didn’t read the source article
Telling

The article title is literally:
AMERICA’S LIGHT SWEET PROBLEM

Hell, I cannot even accuse you of just reading the headline!

 

Do you think we should do something requiring that our oil stays in the US?

 

The first thing we need to do is get rid of an administration that is hostile to us energy production.

 

We’re just as independent now as we were then.
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sou...ent.amp.html&usg=AOvVaw0-9Bs32Eh7bmpxkucX-g9i

 

Except your a Liberal and still can't figure it out.

 

I didn't say it would. But it should. Likely the same folks that prevent us from drilling our own oil would prevent us from using it ourselves too if they could, so we can continue to prop up oil rich dictatorships while pandoring to our climate cultists. That seems to be the trend...

 

Just because I do not worship at the shrine of a corrupt politician doesn’t mean I am a liberal but I can understand the confusion.

In your mind — what do you believe energy independent means? Because in mine it would mean we do not have to depend on any other nation for our energy needs.

 

Of course thats what you think it means. Your a liberal. You're trained they way. You would believe CNN over your own eyes.
Being energy independent simply means we export more than we import. Pretty simple.

 

Ah yes, using definitions for words is now “liberal”. Fascinating

As to your “definition” — That means net exporter.

Let’s break down the phrase into individual words. What do you believe the word independent means

 

This is exactly how a liberal thinks. If you provide them with any general industry terms used for decades, they think they can define a single word in a phrase and magically, the phrase over the
decades of what was mutually understood to mean (X), now magically never happened.

We have all seen enough of liberal definitions

Compassion: Feeling good about yourself for wanting to give away money you didn’t earn to people you hope will vote for your side.
Conscience of the Senate: KKK member.
Flag: Something to be burned and walked on at protests or alternately, waved close to election time.
Greed: Wanting to keep money you’ve earned instead of having it spent on Bridges to Nowhere and government loans to people who’ve contributed to Obama’s campaign
Guns: Vicious weapons that kill people
Minorities: People who are too dumb and incompetent to make it without liberal help.
Morals: Things you should avoid having so you can’t be accused of hypocrisy if you don’t live up to your own standards.
No justice, no peace: Give us money and we’ll find someone else to attack.
Racism: A word you cry when you’re losing an argument with a conservative.
Reality-based community: People who believe that Communism could work if the right people were in charge
Taxes: A limitless supply of free money to be given away to liberal special interests in return for votes.
Tolerance: Something that justifies going on hate-filled rants against people who don’t share your view of the world.
Unfair attack: They quoted me.
Violent rhetoric: Words like “crossfire,” “job killing,” and “crosshairs” when used by non-liberals.
We must address the root causes of this problem: We must not do anything to effectively address this problem. Instead we must raise taxes and pour dump trucks’ worth of money into whatever unrelated issue we have decided is the cause of the problem.

 

LOL....Says the guy posting in what is currently the most invalid thread in Current Events, because the OP doesn't have a link, as required by forum rules....

This nonsense is just another MAGA-pinion

 

I am noticing you are struggling to address the question directly. Would you like to try again?

What does the word independent mean in your world?

 

Increase domestic production but keep it all in the United States. Not a drop should leave this country, ever. We can import to fill the gap between what we can produce and what we need.

Start building nuclear power plants again. Each state required to produce a portion of their electricity through renewable sources, which will vary based on each state's geography.

We don't have to stop using oil, because if we just use our brains a little bit and stop making choices based on keeping a few people rich, we could actually be in a better position than just going full on drill baby drill.

 

Still struggling with the term Energy independent so you've pinned your hopes on deflecting to a single word definition out of context?
Sorry, not working

 

Agreed. But it also means we can be self-sufficient with our energy, which we were leading up to the current administration when they became climate warriors, resulting in the present situation. Democrats in general worry too much about the future to be able to govern for today, and the result is that neither today nor tomorrow are protected.

I'm a middle-of-the-road on Energy Policy. I believe in Energy Diversification. We should use oil, coal, nuclear, electric, solar, etc every form of energy in the most efficient ways possible so as to not be dependent on any one energy source and thereby sustaining all of them instead of being solely dependent on one or the other.