Were the old racist Confederate white men right about black people?

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  1. After Hours

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    Where did I blame whites for anything?, LOL

    And I would like to you back up your claims that black males between 15-30 commit 52% of the murders in this country.
     
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    My claim to be a street fighter? Where did you come up with that?

    Perhaps I should post some of the crude PMs you sent my way?
     
  3. ShadowX

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    I don't give a damn what you post. They were in response to your first pm to me.
     
  4. WWJD

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    Yes indeed. The one where I told you that if a racist like you came up to me and started talking I would punch him in the mouth.

    You responded by posting an address that was only a few miles from me, and near Tippet Baptist Church. You then called me some other names, and continued to rage as I laughed at you.

    But I digress. The point remains that you are a racist and your views belong in the dark ages.
     
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    There is no difference between racists and the multiculturalists. Racists prefer white people over non-white people, while multiculturalists prefer non-whites.
     
  6. ShadowX

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    Yeah yeah yeah, blah blah blah... I'm still waiting for you to tell me where you took that IQ test at.
     
  7. WWJD

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    I am currently in Canada in a place called Vancouver. There are representatives of every race here. The food is great and no one seems to care what race you are. Asian, English, Black, Native, Indian, many others just getting along.
     
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    The son of immigrants from Ghana, Kwasi Enin, attends William Floyd High School in New York. In an interview with Newsday, Kwasi said that he never intended to get in to all 8 schools – Princeton, Columbia, Dartmouth, Cornell, Harvard, Brown, Penn, and Yale. He was simply hoping to gain acceptance to one or two. He scored a 2250 on his SAT.
     
  9. ShadowX

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    I point you to my post, Post #376 in this thread.

    So you found a smart pug. What's your point?

    BTW, I'm still waiting for you to point me to where you took that IQ test so I can take it too.
     
  10. superbadbrutha

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    Do you have a link for these numbers >>>Flamebait Removed<<<
     
  11. iamkurtz

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    Here ya go apologist...............

    http://www.theobjectivestandard.com...micide-statistics-among-blacks-and-the-cause/

    Startling Homicide Statistics among Blacks (and the Cause)
    Posted by Ari Armstrong at 7:30 am ET

    The blogger Publius makes an extraordinary claim: If in America “black men [were] murdered at the same rate as everyone else, the overall [homicide] rate would drop to 1.9 out of 100,000 population. That would give the United States the 147th highest murder rate in the world.” This raises two questions: Is that true, and, if so, what does it mean?

    Let’s examine the statistics. According to the Centers for Disease Control’s (CDC’s) report “Deaths: Preliminary Data for 2011,” there were 15,953 deaths by homicide that year, for a rate of 5.1 per 100,000 population. In its “Crime in the United States: 2011,” the FBI gives a lower estimate for the number of murder victims: 12,664. Of these victims, fully half—6,329—were black. And yet blacks comprised 13.1 percent of the population in 2011, according to the Census Bureau. (These figures square with those reported by the Wall Street Journal last August.)

    Do Publius’s claims about the murder rate pan out? The Census Bureau lists a U.S. population of 311,591,917 for 2011. The number of homicides reported by the CDC, 15,953, divided by the total population, yields the rate of 5.1 per 100,000. If we assume that the FBI’s ratio holds for the larger number of homicides reported by the CDC, and take the number of nonblack homicides to nonblack population, we get 7,980 divided by 270,773,376, or 2.9 per 100,000 population. I’m not sure how Publius calculated his figures for the murder rate, but they seem to be low. And even the rate of 2.9 per 100,000—which is considerably below the national rate—is above that of Canada and western European nations.

    The startling number is that of black homicide victims. Even taking the FBI’s lower figures, the number of black victims (6,329) divided by the total U.S. black population (40,818,541), yields a murder rate of 15.5 per 100,000 population. And if we assume that the FBI’s ratio holds for the larger number of homicides reported by the CDC, that indicates the murder rate among blacks is 7,973 divided by 40,818,541, or 19.5 per 100,000 population. That is horrific (although still below the murder rates in the likes of Mexico, Brazil, and Uganda).

    Startling Homicide Statistics among Blacks (and the Cause)
    Posted by Ari Armstrong at 7:30 am ET

    The blogger Publius makes an extraordinary claim: If in America “black men [were] murdered at the same rate as everyone else, the overall [homicide] rate would drop to 1.9 out of 100,000 population. That would give the United States the 147th highest murder rate in the world.” This raises two questions: Is that true, and, if so, what does it mean?

    Let’s examine the statistics. According to the Centers for Disease Control’s (CDC’s) report “Deaths: Preliminary Data for 2011,” there were 15,953 deaths by homicide that year, for a rate of 5.1 per 100,000 population. In its “Crime in the United States: 2011,” the FBI gives a lower estimate for the number of murder victims: 12,664. Of these victims, fully half—6,329—were black. And yet blacks comprised 13.1 percent of the population in 2011, according to the Census Bureau. (These figures square with those reported by the Wall Street Journal last August.)

    Do Publius’s claims about the murder rate pan out? The Census Bureau lists a U.S. population of 311,591,917 for 2011. The number of homicides reported by the CDC, 15,953, divided by the total population, yields the rate of 5.1 per 100,000. If we assume that the FBI’s ratio holds for the larger number of homicides reported by the CDC, and take the number of nonblack homicides to nonblack population, we get 7,980 divided by 270,773,376, or 2.9 per 100,000 population. I’m not sure how Publius calculated his figures for the murder rate, but they seem to be low. And even the rate of 2.9 per 100,000—which is considerably below the national rate—is above that of Canada and western European nations.

    The startling number is that of black homicide victims. Even taking the FBI’s lower figures, the number of black victims (6,329) divided by the total U.S. black population (40,818,541), yields a murder rate of 15.5 per 100,000 population. And if we assume that the FBI’s ratio holds for the larger number of homicides reported by the CDC, that indicates the murder rate among blacks is 7,973 divided by 40,818,541, or 19.5 per 100,000 population. That is horrific (although still below the murder rates in the likes of Mexico, Brazil, and Uganda).
     
  12. superbadbrutha

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    What do I have to apologize for. Can you give us some numbers from the DOJ stats since they keep those pretty well.
     
  13. BethanyQuartz

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    I think there is hope for you. You're bright enough. I think you just need a little more study to understand that stupidity and violence is built into every member of our species and is brought out by bad societies.

    I suggest a thorough study of Medieval Europe. It certainly put the final polish on my misanthropic view of humanity. The violent cruelty was unspeakable and went from the top to bottom of the societies.

    One day you will be one of us. You will know what it is to hate everyone equally, if you cannot bring yourself to love. Join us. :wink:

    Meanwhile, here is a strange study that implies what we do to each other might not just affect us, it might affect generations to come:

    http://www.nature.com/news/fearful-memories-haunt-mouse-descendants-1.14272


    Ponder the implications, and be kind, even if humans do sometimes suck unbearably.
     
  14. ShadowX

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    I simply suggest playing the statistics. If you know someone is 5x more likely than the guy beside him to molest your child, you'd probably keep a much closer eye on that individual than the guy beside him.

    If you know that someone is that much more likely to commit violence against you, you'd be best to keep an eye on that individual.

    I sincerely hope that your political correctness doesn't lead to something bad happening to you or someone you love before you come to realize that I was actually right.
     
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    Oh I get it, you call him a "Racist", ridicule his character and then you win the argument. :applause:
     
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    I am from Vancouver too, and i don't care what race you are. I also don't care if people discuss the topic of race. Why is it so unbelievable that certain racial demographics might be more prone to certain behaviors? We have evolved traits that help us survive in our environments. Many of these traits are specific to environments in regions that are different than one another.
     
  17. Vespasian

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    A slave rebellion does not need to be successful in order to be a massacre. Spartacus and his band of merry men caused allot of damage, and then were crushed. The overwhelming military superiority of the Romans made that a forgone conclusion but it was still a horrifying situation for all those involved.
    Speaking to the assertion that blacks are animals, I would point out first that human beings are apes, mammals, tetrapods, vertebrates and animals first and foremost. It may be flippant, but it is no exaggeration, to say that men are monkeys with money and guns.
    Of course that is not the sort of distinction you or the slave owners of yore America were making. I believe that the assertion that black men were not fully human was an attempt to ease the cognitive (and legal) dissonance that arises when you believe that all men are created equal, but some men are supposed to be slaves.
    You're solution, separating black people from others and shunting them into a distinct geographical territory, is not morally superior to slavery. What you propose is that some government agency should locate every black person they can, after working out the kinks in their operational definition of what being “black” really is, and forcibly deprive them of their homes and all of their property, before shipping them to a place where they don't want to go where everyone who already lives there won't want them to be.
    Finally you imagine that it will prove your point when the surviving refugees of this demonic overreach of government power turn on each other in the squalor they are left in. That's kinda like saying that you are the fastest runner on earth and to prove it you'll race anyone, after shooting them in the leg.
    This all seems pretty thin. If you want to see a reduction in the levels of violent crime in the U.S. You might want to end the drug war, eliminate mandatory minimum sentencing and privately owned prisons while encourage people to marry the mothers of their children and discourage them from hitting their children. I think this would work just a little bit better than perpetrating one of the biggest crimes in human history on our neighbors.
     
  18. BethanyQuartz

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    I do play the statistics. I avoid poor people like the plague. Kidding, I am poor. You should avoid me. I'm far more likely to be desperate enough to rob and kill you for food money than a rich guy, who will happily use campaign funding to rob and kill you more slowly. Doesn't matter what color I am (happens I'm white, just in case you wanted to know, though), if I'm broke, hungry, and desperate, I'm the one who is dangerous to you. It isn't about race, it's about circumstances.
     
  19. ShadowX

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    Then we STILL have a problem.

    Total Black: 13.1%
    41,117,452
    Total Black Poor: 35%
    14,391,108
    Total Poor Blacks%: 4.5% of total population


    Total White: 63%
    197,740,421
    Total White Poor: 13%
    25,706,254
    Total Poor Whites%: 8.19% of total population

    So let's assume that the poor are doing ALL of the crime.
    Since FBI crime statistics include hispanics in with whites... and hispanics make up ~17% of the total population, we will assume that Hispanics are slightly UNDERrepresented and say that they only represent 15% of the violent crimes.

    http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2011/crime-in-the-u.s.-2011/tables/table-43

    Now we will just look at murder to begin with.

    Blacks commit: 49% of the total murder and non-negligent manslaughter
    Whites commit: 33% of the total murder and non-negligent manslaughter (once you adjust for the hispanics)

    So if we assume that ALL violent crime is performed by the poor (which we know is not even remotely accurate, but it helps your argument so what the hell)...
    Poor whites (8% of the total population) commit 33% of the total murder in this country. Meaning they're overrepresented by 4x what they represent in their total population (33%/8%)

    Poor blacks (4.5% of the total population) commit 49% of the total murder in this country. Meaning they're overrepresented by 11x what they represent in their total population (49%/4.5%)

    Doesn't seem to fit your narrative does it?
     
  20. BethanyQuartz

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    The study I quoted way back mentions differing rates of poverty, though. As in poor black neighborhoods being poorer than poor white neighborhoods Which can easily account for the difference.
     
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    What the hell is wrong with you?
     
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    No, I asked you to find "the intelligence gene" and you were supposed to show how it proved that there were differences in intelligence between people of different races. You couldn't do it. You still haven't ..
    no surprise there. Your brain volume, race and intelligence link is also unproven and you can't use height to prove your claim. Your arguments have been deficient (in multiple ways). Shouldn't you stop making scientific claims that you haven't been able to prove?

     
  23. ShadowX

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    I show you those statistics and you ask me what's wrong with me?

    - - - Updated - - -

    And I gave at least three reasons as to why that "study" was flawed.

    I also gave 3 studies that have been done since that one which the evidence shows your study was incorrect.
     
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    Feel free to find a study finding equivalent brain volume between Blacks, Whites and East Asians.

    After that, feel free to pick the two dozen MRI/IQ studies not showing moderate correlation between brain volume and IQ.

    I'll ignore your red herring as brain volume is genetic regardless if we have discovered the genes responsible for it; just like height is genetic even though we have not found genes for height.
     
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    Btw, we've been through this the last time when you were incorrectly claiming Africans weren't participants in the study:

    Genes linked to brain volume; brain volume is linked to IQ; these genes spread rapidly in a short amount of time - meaning, they probably confer a major advantage:

    http://johnhawks.net/weblog/reviews/genetics/brain/lahn_2005_aspm_microcephalin_science.html
     

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